Why wouldn't bigfoot hunt humans?

[Resume]

ABP ignored two points that were raised right before he made up that story. The first being that Bigfoot and bears are two different animals.

Yes, different. Bigfoot is made up, griz is real

The second being how rare it is to have a bear attack you, let alone three. Ok, it's possible that a grizzly bear will attack if it somehow feels threatened, but the story about three of them charging just sounds so unnatural that I now question if AlaskaBushPilot has even watched a documentary on North American wildlife.

Did you watch the video I linked? What do you think the first bear shot would have done if he noticed the hunters?

ETA: At any rate, three real animals filmed doing what real animals do, not silly man in suit monkeys, blobs, shadows and shelled hickory nuts.

 

[sadhatter]

The NAWAC's recent paper gives an idea of how often they make mistakes and what kind of mistakes they make. The reality seems to be that they are somehow able to accurately assess details about humans such as how well we are able to see and hear and slowly push their luck based on that. Never pushing their luck to the point where they are in any possible danger. That takes a great deal of intelligence. These people are supposedly in an area where there are lot of these animals, yet the frequency of sightings is once every 6 weeks per person with the average time being only several seconds. In other words, these animals don't give people any opportunity. It's frustrating seeing people assume that Bigfoot would behave like a known animal. It's not a known animal so it might not act like one.

If a human attempts to hide from other humans, the smart money is on said human being caught. So every Bigfoot, is at last as good at avoiding capture as the minority of humans that manage to do so.

Doesn't this just seem absurd to you? There are no stupid Bigfoot? Not a one?

 

[The Shrike]

No stupid bigfoots, no mistaken bigfoots, no injured bigfoots, no sick bigfoots, and, of course, no dead bigfoots - which I think will be the name of my next band.

 

[Resume]

No stupid bigfoots, no mistaken bigfoots, no injured bigfoots, no sick bigfoots, and, of course, no dead bigfoots - which I think will be the name of my next band.

But two dead bear --probably three -- in less time to tell it.

 

[John Nowak]

Bigfoot done it.

Bigfoot of the gaps.

 

[Garrette]

ABP ignored two points that were raised right before he made up that story. The first being that Bigfoot and bears are two different animals. The second being how rare it is to have a bear attack you, let alone three. Ok, it's possible that a grizzly bear will attack if it somehow feels threatened, but the story about three of them charging just sounds so unnatural that I now question if AlaskaBushPilot has even watched a documentary on North American wildlife.


The only conclusion is he is Bear Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming! He's BLAARGing!

This made me smile. Video proof of multiple bears charging in the wilderness, yet it is unnatural. Fortunately, breaking healthy trees that could not be brought down by an elephant; throwing rocks while not wanting to interact; pelting tents with candy bars; leaving no trace at all while simultaneously providing enough information to support detailed hypotheses about intelligence, behavior, size, appearance, strength, gait, etc., is very natural, so we have a baseline.

Yep. There's a BLAARGer here, alright, and I have found ABP's expert dissection of the MO to be quite educational.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

That conclusion is not corroborated by your own story. You had two lethal shots that hit in just the right place - if I take your story at face value. How often does somebody make two near perfect shots at wildly running targets? How often does a hunter/hiker/other have just the right weapons to bring down a huge bear with one shot?

The more I think about it, the more I put your story in the same box as OntarioSatch's. Sorry.

When they are running straight at you it isn't very difficult at all, especially that close.

I'd be happy to take a picture of the bullet holes through the hides tonight. One is in the living room, but the other is rolled up and stored in the shop.

 

[Correa Neto]

Meh.
Bigfoot is not dumb as a bear.
Bigfoot will catch you from behind - you will never see him coming.

Bigfoot will break your spine and rip your guts out before you have a chance to realize whats going on. And its just outside, lurking at your backyard.

 

[Resume]

Meh.
Bigfoot is not dumb as a bear.
Bigfoot will catch you from behind - you will never see him coming.

Bigfoot will break your spine and rip your guts out before you have a chance to realize whats going on. And its just outside, lurking at your backyard.

****, it's under your bed.

 

[Cervelo]

When they are running straight at you it isn't very difficult at all, especially that close.

I'd be happy to take a picture of the bullet holes through the hides tonight. One is in the living room, but the other is rolled up and stored in the shop.

Isn't it funny you can always tell when someone doesn't know jack about shooting...if you gotta pretty good range estimate (point blank is always good) the easiest shots are straight toward you or straight away.
I had my doubts about the JFK single shooter theory...until I stood in the very spot he was shot from....it was practically a straight away shot.

 

[Cervelo]

ABP ignored two points that were raised right before he made up that story. The first being that Bigfoot and bears are two different animals. The second being how rare it is to have a bear attack you, let alone three. Ok, it's possible that a grizzly bear will attack if it somehow feels threatened, but the story about three of them charging just sounds so unnatural that I now question if AlaskaBushPilot has even watched a documentary on North American wildlife.


The only conclusion is he is Bear Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming! He's BLAARGing!

Your ignorance of logic, the scientific method, and animal behavior is revealed almost everytime you post....I can only conclude your here just to play games or only get outside when your mom makes you

 

[SezMe]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a44_1238995443

Video might be too graphic for some to watch.

Better resolution:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1225037306

I'm not sure what you want me to learn from that video. Two shots at the first bear from a very stable position at a bear moving slowly and it still didn't drop.

Third shot at the charging bear and it didn't drop right away. You sure you're supporting ABP here?

This made me smile. Video proof of multiple bears charging in the wilderness, yet it is unnatural.

Where is that video? Certainly not the one Resume posted.

I'd be happy to take a picture of the bullet holes through the hides tonight. One is in the living room, but the other is rolled up and stored in the shop.

No need to. See, you'd then have to provide evidence that the bullet holes are the ones made in your story. Which you can't.

I'll drop this line of discussion as it is getting to be a derail.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

That's the lower jaw of the second one. The second entry point after it went through the jaw is dead-centerline where I split the hide.

This is the hole through the chest of the bigger bear, my son's thumb poking through. It is about an inch to the right of the centerline hide split. You can see the arm comes down to meet the centerline there.

Gosh, I wasn't even saying I am some kind of super shot. Definitely not! This is extremely close range, with a scope, on a large animal that is heading straight at me. How could you miss?

I have lobbed shells in from a distance at something standing perfectly still and missed clean. A wolf, with this gun as a matter of fact. These .375 shells are so huge that at long distances you have to lob them in. It is an elephant gun. Someone can look up the drop at about 250 yards, it's pretty amazing. I never practiced at that distance with this gun. The bullet landed at his feet. Lol, I watched my Dad take a shot he was for sure going to miss once, and I asked him why he did it. He said "you got something better to do?"

This is a great example where a non-hunter has no idea what kind of a shot this is, and is thinking by virtue of no experience how difficult it must be. An animal at distance moving laterally is a really difficult shot, but one heading straight to you or straight away close-up is easy. A bird hunter will tell you the same thing. Flying straight away from you is ideal.

These bears had obviously scented the moose, who I had just gutted, and were storming happily over to it, ie to me. I could see how excited they were, and it was not pleasant taking them out. The point is demonstrating how silly it is to pretend that a far larger animal (bigfoot) can't be hit by a hunter with a rifle, even if the non-existent bigfoot is attacking him. I produced the hides and bullet holes for my little encounter, and this bigger bear still has the fish and game seal on it too. It's a white zip-tie thingie. For a research bear they wanted one tooth and one other thing I have forgotten now. If you want the ear tattoo I can take a picture of that too. I got evidence like no bigfooter ever dreamed of.

Yet look at the 'footer himself being so uber-skeptical here in contrast to the evidence-free assertions about bigfoot. All my claims can be backed up with evidence, including the much wilder-sounding claim of kissing a moose on the lips. A full grown raven sitting on my shoulder. Fifteen foot alligator, a giant anaconda, a leopard, amazing babes - lol. Let's do the babe pictures. If you think this story is amazing then what I got for babes with me is going to knock your socks off.

There is one pretty amazing part to the story: It is not the first time three bears have charged me. On Kodiak Island, Larsen Bay, I had three charge in order to take my kill from me. It was a situation of the math not adding up. Two shells in the rifle, three charging. It was the reason I bought the .375 in the first place, and why I vowed to never again be caught at a kill without a full clip. How I survived that encounter is a much more amazing story, but not relevant here.

When you live full-time in the woods for decades and spend a lot of time doing Alaska-type things, these sorts of things are going to happen. Bears trying to push their way through your front door. Want incredible plane crashes I walked away from alive? Got them too.

I am not the same person I was before. I don't drink or do drugs. I quit trapping. I quit bush flying. I stopped doing expeditions to areas where you have Shining Path, New People's Army, or other Guerilla insurgents. It was having children that changed me. I fear things I never feared before.

So this bigfoot business is a hobby now and it is very interesting to see them playing this game - jumping all over me, showing such skepticism and outright contempt. This was a bad mistake for a BLAARGer because it proves how their skepticism is working just fine except where bigfoot is concerned.

No better proof 'footers are playing the Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Game.

 

[Resume]

I'm not sure what you want me to learn from that video. Two shots at the first bear from a very stable position at a bear moving slowly and it still didn't drop.

You said:

That conclusion is not corroborated by your own story. You had two lethal shots that hit in just the right place - if I take your story at face value.

Two lethal shots, one at a charging bear. Originally, you said nothing about them dropping right away.

How often does a hunter/hiker/other have just the right weapons to bring down a huge bear with one shot?

Obviously more often than you're aware.

I'll drop this line of discussion as it is getting to be a derail.

Good idea.

ETA: and to make things perfectly clear, the point of my original posting was to address your assertion that OS's monkey stories were on the same level as ABP's when one is far more likely to be true. Figure out which one.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Isn't it funny you can always tell when someone doesn't know jack about shooting...if you gotta pretty good range estimate (point blank is always good) the easiest shots are straight toward you or straight away.
I had my doubts about the JFK single shooter theory...until I stood in the very spot he was shot from....it was practically a straight away shot.

Right. Same thing with chambering rounds. They try to make it sound like Oswald could not have fired three shots in six seconds. I can do it no problem, and I have seen bench shooters way faster than I am.

My interlocutor obviously does not understand the difference between a .375 magnum and an ordinary rifle. There is a big difference between what we call "stopping power" vs. killing potential. You can kill a bear with a .22 if it hits the right spot, but he is going to kill you before he dies. You hit them with this cannon and they drop.

It isn't a derail either, especially because this is such wonderful proof of live action alternate reality gaming being so skeptical with skeptics, but being so opposite with bigfoot.

What explains this radical contradiction? What explains the alleged belief alongside zero effort in going to see for yourself what you allege others see on just about every day in the Ouachitas?

You question what I say and then run SezMe when it is pretty obvious I got the goods.

 

[Garrette]

--snip--

Where is that video? Certainly not the one Resume posted.

--snip--

Yes, the one Resume posted. I said "multiple," not three. Two charging bears after the boar was dropped. Not point blank and not at a gallop, but charging nonetheless.

 

[bruto]

When they are running straight at you it isn't very difficult at all, especially that close.

I'd be happy to take a picture of the bullet holes through the hides tonight. One is in the living room, but the other is rolled up and stored in the shop.

Of course even if you were a damned liar and a lousy shot, and even if you turned out to be a nerd in a California cellar who's never flown to Alaska, your story would still have a small advantage over some others here, since believing it does not require anyone to invent a new animal.

 

[The Shrike]

Let's do the babe pictures.

Yes, let's!

This is the Internet, and I take every claim with a pound of salt unless there's some history established with the source. Even then, I sprinkle a pinch.

Even in my boring professor's existence, I've had amazing experiences with wildlife during that tiny percentage of my time that I'm in the field. I know that there are people like ABP for whom that time allocation is flipped: the great majority of their time is spent in the field. I expect these people to have experiences far more exciting than mine, especially when they're having them in actual wilderness areas.

Kiss a moose on the lips? Sounds crazy, but it happens (Google it). I have no reason to suspect that ABP wouldn't be one of the lucky ones to have this experience - he certainly lives around plenty of moose. Drop a couple of charging bears? Why not? We know this kind of stuff happens, and he's in a place (Alaska) and doing the kinds of things (gutting a moose) that are congruent with getting a couple bears to charge you. He supplied photos of a couple of bear hides and we had a video posted of a fairly similar scenario.

What about bigfoot? The difference is that when someone claims to have a bigfoot encounter, neither the claimant nor anyone else has ever been able to demonstrate evidence to confirm the claim. Ever.

 

[Resume]

The thing we understand about real wildlife and real animals (including the human animal) is that they exhibit predictable and fairly consistent behavior that allows reliable observation, even by novices. You just have to put in the time in a given habitat.

There is none of this with footie. Sure, there are claims made by a number of individuals ---habituators, random internet phonies, NAWACers-- but note that none of these claims have ever led to independent verification by anyone with bona fides.

It's been more than 50 years, it's been 15,000 and that's a lot. There is no good reason to give any bigfoot claim a lick of credence without independent corroboration of appropriate biological evidence. No. Good. Reason.

If bigfoot denial pisses off bigfoot proponents, tough, bring the goods. They haven't and it's clear as to why: they can't.

 

[FFed]

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That's the lower jaw of the second one. The second entry point after it went through the jaw is dead-centerline where I split the hide.


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This is the hole through the chest of the bigger bear, my son's thumb poking through. It is about an inch to the right of the centerline hide split. You can see the arm comes down to meet the centerline there.

Gosh, I wasn't even saying I am some kind of super shot. Definitely not! This is extremely close range, with a scope, on a large animal that is heading straight at me. How could you miss?

I have lobbed shells in from a distance at something standing perfectly still and missed clean. A wolf, with this gun as a matter of fact. These .375 shells are so huge that at long distances you have to lob them in. It is an elephant gun. Someone can look up the drop at about 250 yards, it's pretty amazing. I never practiced at that distance with this gun. The bullet landed at his feet. Lol, I watched my Dad take a shot he was for sure going to miss once, and I asked him why he did it. He said "you got something better to do?"

This is a great example where a non-hunter has no idea what kind of a shot this is, and is thinking by virtue of no experience how difficult it must be. An animal at distance moving laterally is a really difficult shot, but one heading straight to you or straight away close-up is easy. A bird hunter will tell you the same thing. Flying straight away from you is ideal.

These bears had obviously scented the moose, who I had just gutted, and were storming happily over to it, ie to me. I could see how excited they were, and it was not pleasant taking them out. The point is demonstrating how silly it is to pretend that a far larger animal (bigfoot) can't be hit by a hunter with a rifle, even if the non-existent bigfoot is attacking him. I produced the hides and bullet holes for my little encounter, and this bigger bear still has the fish and game seal on it too. It's a white zip-tie thingie. For a research bear they wanted one tooth and one other thing I have forgotten now. If you want the ear tattoo I can take a picture of that too. I got evidence like no bigfooter ever dreamed of.

Yet look at the 'footer himself being so uber-skeptical here in contrast to the evidence-free assertions about bigfoot. All my claims can be backed up with evidence, including the much wilder-sounding claim of kissing a moose on the lips. A full grown raven sitting on my shoulder. Fifteen foot alligator, a giant anaconda, a leopard, amazing babes - lol. Let's do the babe pictures. If you think this story is amazing then what I got for babes with me is going to knock your socks off.

There is one pretty amazing part to the story: It is not the first time three bears have charged me. On Kodiak Island, Larsen Bay, I had three charge in order to take my kill from me. It was a situation of the math not adding up. Two shells in the rifle, three charging. It was the reason I bought the .375 in the first place, and why I vowed to never again be caught at a kill without a full clip. How I survived that encounter is a much more amazing story, but not relevant here.

When you live full-time in the woods for decades and spend a lot of time doing Alaska-type things, these sorts of things are going to happen. Bears trying to push their way through your front door. Want incredible plane crashes I walked away from alive? Got them too.

I am not the same person I was before. I don't drink or do drugs. I quit trapping. I quit bush flying. I stopped doing expeditions to areas where you have Shining Path, New People's Army, or other Guerilla insurgents. It was having children that changed me. I fear things I never feared before.

So this bigfoot business is a hobby now and it is very interesting to see them playing this game - jumping all over me, showing such skepticism and outright contempt. This was a bad mistake for a BLAARGer because it proves how their skepticism is working just fine except where bigfoot is concerned.

No better proof 'footers are playing the Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Game.

You're like Batman and Superman rolled into one. Do you charge for autographs?