Continuation Part 14: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Satanic Sexual Ritualized Killing?

I gotta wonder if PM Mignini is gonna sue Peter Van Sant of 48 Hours and CBS News,
as he sued Amanda Knox and her Family for stating she was hit when interrogated.

For Van Sant tells us this of PM Mignini in this news report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKOa6B7Vgj0

"They brought Amanda Knox in for 14 hours of interrogation by a group of men who break Mafia suspects, at the end of that she gave this false confession."

"The prosecutor, Guliano Mignini, (this is a true story, cause we interviewed the Medium who has since died), he would, he would consult a Spiritual Medium who spoke to a dead Priest, there was a bloody palm print found on the wall, and the Priest told the Medium who told Mignini that this was a Satanic Sexual Ritualized killing. That's where that came from."

 

[Bill Williams]

Knox doesn't feel guilty at all. She was there when the attack started, and most likely started it herself. Yes, she knows way more than she telling.

This is pure conjecture. It would be helpful if you said more and included some reason to even remotely believe this.

 

[kwill]

did Knox know that Lumumba was innocent at that point, or had the suggestion of the police led her to believe something (a) false and (b) she could not objectively know (assuming she was with Raffaele at his apartment at the time of the murder).

The police led her to believe something false. Her mistake was to trust them.

• They had Patrick's name
• They knew she'd seen him in the plaza
• They were bugging his bar
• They saw the famous See You Later, Have a Good Night message
• They thought it meant she'd been there
• The translator encouraged her to imagine what had happened
• The translator told her it was normal to block the memory of a traumatic event

Even without the smack to the back of her head or the threats that she'd never see her family again, they clearly thought they'd gotten her to tell them what they already believed had happened. She didn't objectively know. It wasn't a false accusation, much less a confession. It was just a young woman getting rolled.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Come back again some day when you care to debate the evidence and what is fact.

Really, debate, not argue? Doesn't sound like you, who believes in invisible blood soaked footprints, smells the poop, 14 hours afterwards, with a window and door wide open, even though she has never stated she smelled it, even when confronted with the fact that it was impossible to see it where she said she was. No, you need to start admitting where you are wrong or don't have an answer for first. Then, and only then, could we have an intelligent debate on this.

 

[Dan O.]

One of Sherlock's "proofs" that Amanda was there is:

Author : Sherlock Holmes
Date : 22nd August 2011 01:57 PM

... all the shoe prints are left foot of Rudy's, the prints clearly show he was running out of Meredith's room and stopped in the living room probably to put his coat back on that Amanda had hung up for him. Rudy clearly did not stop to lock Meredith's door no matter how you want to spin it but at the same time I know you people can not accept this, because it means Amanda is GUILTY to some degree, Good day sir.​

Author : Sherlock Holmes
Date : 22nd August 2011 07:14 PM

I think she hung his coat up around 9:00​

But Rudy denies wearing a coat that night. He says he had a yellow sweatshirt which he draped over a chair. Rudy's tracks are consistent with this as he stops at the end of the table before taking a step towards the door.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is pure conjecture. It would be helpful if you said more and included some reason to even remotely believe this.

Pure conjecture is saying its not true, the courts have already ruled on this, to say otherwise would require a reason to even remotely disagree with it. The reasons I've read on here do not suffice for either me or the courts.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

One of Sherlock's "proofs" that Amanda was there is:

Author : Sherlock Holmes
Date : 22nd August 2011 01:57 PM

... all the shoe prints are left foot of Rudy's, the prints clearly show he was running out of Meredith's room and stopped in the living room probably to put his coat back on that Amanda had hung up for him. Rudy clearly did not stop to lock Meredith's door no matter how you want to spin it but at the same time I know you people can not accept this, because it means Amanda is GUILTY to some degree, Good day sir.​

Author : Sherlock Holmes
Date : 22nd August 2011 07:14 PM

I think she hung his coat up around 9:00​

But Rudy denies wearing a coat that night. He says he had a yellow sweatshirt which he draped over a chair. Rudy's tracks are consistent with this as he stops at the end of the table before taking a step towards the door.

So, if Rudy says he wasn't wearing a coat, then he wasn't wearing a coat, but if he says that Amanda was there, then she wasn't there, I fully understand PIP logic.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Sherlock Holmes knows way more than he has evidence to support.

Wrong, it's the evidence that support what I claim at a bare minimum, I don't need to event liars, deception, keystone cops and conspiracies to make my summary work, it just all fits in nicely.

 

[Numbers]

The police led her to believe something false. Her mistake was to trust them.

• They had Patrick's name
• They knew she'd seen him in the plaza
• They were bugging his bar
• They saw the famous See You Later, Have a Good Night message
• They thought it meant she'd been there
• The translator encouraged her to imagine what had happened
• The translator told her it was normal to block the memory of a traumatic event

Even without the smack to the back of her head or the threats that she'd never see her family again, they clearly thought they'd gotten her to tell them what they already believed had happened. She didn't objectively know. It wasn't a false accusation, much less a confession. It was just a young woman getting rolled.

These are all sound points. From an ECHR view, the failure to warn her of her right to remain silent, the police compelling her to speak under threat and acts of violence (slaps) as she has alleged, and the failure of the police to provide her with a lawyer are all significant reasons why her statements may not be used to convict her of a crime related to those statements.

Anglo and I are looking at whether there are some other, possibly more technical or more difficult to define, reasons why her conviction for calunnia was unfair as judged under the ECHR.

 

[Bill Williams]

Pure conjecture is saying its not true, the courts have already ruled on this, to say otherwise would require a reason to even remotely disagree with it. The reasons I've read on here do not suffice for either me or the courts.

Ok have it your way.

I'm of the opinion that most, if not all, of the judges judicial facts are conjectures devoid of evidence. For example, Massei's explanation for positing a cleaning between Meredith's door and the bathroom mat.

Read Massei. Otherwise you are free to assert what you wish.

 

[Bill Williams]

Wrong, it's the evidence that support what I claim at a bare minimum, I don't need to event liars, deception, keystone cops and conspiracies to make my summary work, it just all fits in nicely.

And that evidence is........ ?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And that evidence is........ ?

Read Massei.

 

[Kaosium]

So, if Rudy says he wasn't wearing a coat, then he wasn't wearing a coat, but if he says that Amanda was there, then she wasn't there, I fully understand PIP logic.

No you don't.

 

[codyjuneau]

Here's Machiavelli's latest tweet:

Machiavelli @Machiavelli_Aki
· 23m 23 minutes ago
Judge Bruno (like Zanetti) had said the trials had "not many certainties" beyond the girl's death and one definitely convicted.


Link:
https://twitter.com/Machiavelli_Aki

.
Thanks RW, that is a promising statement from Judge Bruno.

This case is so simple.

Forget all the contrived nonsense about Raffaele, Amanda,

- accept the crime scene for what it is, rather than postulating impossible selective DNA level cleanups.
- accept Meredith's broken window for what it is, a break and entry point, rather than a staging.
- accept Rudy for what he is, a known street wise burglar and liar, who Amanda barely knew.
- accept that Rudy had no business or permission being in the girls apartment.
- accept the abundant reliable forensics evidence that Rudy left at the crime.
- accept Rudy's story for what it is, a self serving lie to blame someone else for his crime.

Simple, obvious, and tragic.

Cody
.

 

[Bill Williams]

Read Massei.

I have. Massei is filled with speculation. Not only the clean, but the transport of the knife. Please point to the evidence Massei uses.... not his speculations but his evidence he cites.

 

[acbytesla]

Really, debate, not argue? Doesn't sound like you, who believes in invisible blood soaked footprints, smells the poop, 14 hours afterwards, with a window and door wide open, even though she has never stated she smelled it, even when confronted with the fact that it was impossible to see it where she said she was. No, you need to start admitting where you are wrong or don't have an answer for first. Then, and only then, could we have an intelligent debate on this.

Seriously, this is what you base your opinions? Conjecture that she must have smelled feces in a toilet bowl? Never mind that the poop is one of the first thing she mentioned to the police? Really Sherlock, you should look deeper than that. A big so what. All you can really say about the poop is that it might be a little strange, not that it is evidence of anything.

 

[Machiavelli]

I gotta wonder if PM Mignini is gonna sue Peter Van Sant of 48 Hours and CBS News,
as he sued Amanda Knox and her Family for stating she was hit when interrogated.

For Van Sant tells us this of PM Mignini in this news report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKOa6B7Vgj0

"They brought Amanda Knox in for 14 hours of interrogation by a group of men who break Mafia suspects, at the end of that she gave this false confession."

"The prosecutor, Guliano Mignini, (this is a true story, cause we interviewed the Medium who has since died), he would, he would consult a Spiritual Medium who spoke to a dead Priest, there was a bloody palm print found on the wall, and the Priest told the Medium who told Mignini that this was a Satanic Sexual Ritualized killing. That's where that came from."

Mignini did not sue her family.

Mignini investigated her - and her alone - for calunnia, as a suspect of falsely blaming police officers before a court, as his duty, since calunnia has a mandatory investigation.

 

[Dan O.]

Really, debate, not argue? Doesn't sound like you, who believes in invisible blood soaked footprints, smells the poop, 14 hours afterwards, with a window and door wide open, even though she has never stated she smelled it, even when confronted with the fact that it was impossible to see it where she said she was. No, you need to start admitting where you are wrong or don't have an answer for first. Then, and only then, could we have an intelligent debate on this.

I don't admit where I have been wrong. I post the evidence that proves where I have been wrong and move on from there, discarding old theories that don't fit the evidence and producing new theories. Then I start testing those new theories.

One case that exemplifies that is with Rudy's bloody shoe prints. My original theory was that Rudy faced the door while inside Meredith's room where he could test the keys in the lock and then stepped through pulling the door closed and locking it behind him. But then I went beyond that and matched the bloody tract with the bottom of Rudy's shoe and discovered that the first tract was not facing the door but was facing into the room. And further along, when mapped to an overhead view, the tract outside Meredith's door is too close for Rudy to have locked the door from that position. I reported these findings in the thread here immediately. And I went on ... to the print outside Amanda's door that overlays one of the Luminol tracts ... to the unmarked print by the pink bag in the hall and into the living room. In the living room I discovered the stop at the end of the table, the step towards the door and the last step in the series in front of the couch facing away from the front door and towards the hallway back to Meredith's room. From this point there is no next step that has been discovered. There should be a next step somewhere in the living room but it is too faint to be spotted in the existing photographs.

I deduce from this evidence that Rudy remembered that the door was locked when he made that step towards the door and backed up to step in front of the couch instead. If the door was not locked, he could have just walked out.

 

[NancyS]

I gotta wonder if PM Mignini is gonna sue Peter Van Sant of 48 Hours and CBS News,
as he sued Amanda Knox and her Family for stating she was hit when interrogated.

For Van Sant tells us this of PM Mignini in this news report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKOa6B7Vgj0

"They brought Amanda Knox in for 14 hours of interrogation by a group of men who break Mafia suspects, at the end of that she gave this false confession."

"The prosecutor, Guliano Mignini, (this is a true story, cause we interviewed the Medium who has since died), he would, he would consult a Spiritual Medium who spoke to a dead Priest, there was a bloody palm print found on the wall, and the Priest told the Medium who told Mignini that this was a Satanic Sexual Ritualized killing. That's where that came from."

That video made me laugh a lot - I guess you could say that Van Sant is doing a Machiavelli

 

[NancyS]

Really, debate, not argue? Doesn't sound like you, who believes in invisible blood soaked footprints, smells the poop, 14 hours afterwards, with a window and door wide open, even though she has never stated she smelled it, even when confronted with the fact that it was impossible to see it where she said she was. No, you need to start admitting where you are wrong or don't have an answer for first. Then, and only then, could we have an intelligent debate on this.

And I'd forgotten all about your poop theories, I'd love to know how you are so knowledgeable on poo smells? Have you been experimenting at home and leaving your poo for 14 hours, or do you live someone that does regular floaters?

I'm now picturing you as Gillian McKeith - and she is definitely a doctor in the Stefanoni style