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Dick Cheney thinks Obama is worst President of his lifetime

Tony Stark said:
You're wrong. They decided to invade Iraq and then had the CIA find intel that justified it. Cheney himself went to met with analysts. The simple fact of the matter is that what was reported to the American people was designed to make the strongest possible case for war, not to reflect the truth.

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/7/25/ex_cia_agent_on_cheney_iraq
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No I am pretty sure that they relied on Bill Clinton's statement that:

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. "

/Oh! Democracy Now. Whenever Democracy Now makes a remark I stop to consider the question: who is more credible on the topic, Democracy Now or Courtney Love? Do you ever cite anything that is not over the top propaganda?
 
Isn't it pretty much Dickies job to speak I'll of the Dems? Yes, in the past it was common for ex Presidents and VPs go hold their tounge with respect to the current administration, but does anyone think he'll actually have something nice to say about any Dem?
I'm sure the same would hold true if Clinton was asked about bush the First.
 
16.5 said:
I think his only error was relying on Clinton era intelligence.
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Just to help some of the humor-impaired on this board, one of the many reasons this is funny is that relying on outdated intelligence is one of the stupidest things an 21st-century administration can do - so this line is not a defense of Bush/Cheney so much as a over-the-top condemnation of Bush/Cheney.
 
C_Felix said:
Isn't it pretty much Dickies job to speak I'll of the Dems? Yes, in the past it was common for ex Presidents and VPs go hold their tounge with respect to the current administration, but does anyone think he'll actually have something nice to say about any Dem?
I'm sure the same would hold true if Clinton was asked about bush the First.
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I'm not so sure.
Clinton usually refrains from badmouthing his detractors, in my opinion to a fault. I can think of only a few cases, such as with Chris Wallace on Fox interview. He's the consummate schmoozer.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/clinton-bush-friendship/
You'd never know that Clinton was the candidate who made Bush's father a one-termer, or that Bush ran for office in 2000 promising to restore "honor and dignity to the White House" after Clinton left.
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Cheney is a different animal. He is fighting for his survival as a pundit and trying to justify his unethical and criminal past.
 
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I think Obama is one of the worst presidents in my lifetime. A big reason Bush could be considered worse is the fact that people were so revolted by him that they voted in Obama.

People who like Obama think he's great, people who don't like him think he sucks. The end, no point in continuing. Nobody here is changing their mind.
 
mgidm86 said:
I think Obama is one of the worst presidents in my lifetime. A big reason Bush could be considered worse is the fact that people were so revolted by him that they voted in Obama.
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Or because he started a war that got thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and cost TRILLIONS of dollars for no justifiable reason at all. Or that he ordered torture. Or the global economic collapse that started under his watch.
 
I have personally heard people call Obama stupid, idiot, worst president, etc., and every time I ask why they believe this to be so, they have only reasons that they have heard from sources like Limbaugh or Fox, which to me don't really qualify for "stupid", or which are blatantly false.

Now to call Obama stupid first of all is a sign of ignorance on the part of the name caller, because he is in fact quite intelligent. Many conservatives have been trained by their heroes to have a great disdain for progressives and liberals, or to knee jerk react with disgust at the mention of the word "democrat". I have long time friends who call me, "one of those", while snickering and being convinced of many falsehoods which have been standard fare of the right wing bubble. My favorite one is "Obama phones".

My impression is that Obama hating is sort of a hobby or obsession of some right wing zealots, particularly those who spend hours listening to Rush or Fox.

I asked an old friend, who idolizes Bill O'Reilly, the other day what he thought of O'Reilly's many proven lies. "What lies?" He hadn't even heard about the list of lies that O'Reilly had been caught in! Fox has not been exposing them, and Bill has been mum. I explained a few, and in particular the one about the Lee Harvey Oswald associate. He really didn't care, and assumed merely that the libs made it all up to discredit him. His only source of news is Fox, and oh, yes, and his usual response, "Everyone does it.":D

So, when I hear that Obama is the worst, I consider the source.
 
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Obama has been the worst president in the last 60 years, worse than Carter who only had one term. He is a dimwit partisan that has hurt this country's standing abroad and especially the economy.

#1. He increased the debt by 8 Trillion dollars, and by the end of his term it will stand at an estimated 22 Trillion

#2 Obamacare which will cost the Taxpayers at least 2 Trillion over 10 years, increase costs and limit coverage

#3 Not leaving a residual force in Iraq leading to total chaos in the region, claiming ISIS was the JV team.

#4 Running the government like a communist. Sicking the IRS on conservative groups, lying about Benghazi, droning american citizens,

#5 Flooding the country with illegals through executive amnesty

#6 Getting his butt kicked in the mid term elections, then doubling down on spending and tax increases as a solution to a stagnant economy, yeah this guy is an economic idiot.
 
Ladewig said:
Just to help some of the humor-impaired on this board, one of the many reasons this is funny is that relying on outdated intelligence is one of the stupidest things an 21st-century administration can do - so this line is not a defense of Bush/Cheney so much as a over-the-top condemnation of Bush/Cheney.
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Lol! I agree that relying on Clinton intelligence was a mistake.
 
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16.5 said:
Lol! I agree that relying on Clinton intelligence was a mistake.
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Oh, I did not say that President Bush relied on President Clinton's intelligence. I disagree with that assertion. I was merely pointing out how silly it was to blame President Bush's errors on President Clinton's intelligence.
 
Ladewig said:
Oh, I did not say that President Bush relied on President Clinton's intelligence. I disagree with that assertion. I was merely pointing out how silly it was to blame President Bush's errors on President Clinton's intelligence.
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Wait, what? You just said... Oh you!

You almost had me going.

Anyway, the Iraq II is based on operation desert fox. Thanks Clinton.
 
Tony Stark said:
Or because he started a war that got thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed and cost TRILLIONS of dollars for no justifiable reason at all. Or that he ordered torture. Or the global economic collapse that started under his watch.
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Didn't Scott McClellan claim that Bush gave the go-ahead to leak Valerie Plame's name?
 
mgidm86 said:
People who like Obama think he's great, people who don't like him think he sucks. The end, no point in continuing. Nobody here is changing their mind.
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I agree that minds probably won't be changed on this thread; however, I don't agree that everyone has the polarized opinion expressed in your first sentence.

Overall I think Obama's done a pretty good job; so does my rock-ribbed Republican mom. But I also think he has at times been dangerously naive, and has shown a degree of arrogance. It's too early, IMO, to see how history will judge him.
 
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