Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[LondonJohn]

It is not only Italian State Police who use comic sans but other country governments also use it for official and informal documents.

I thought the document presented here in comic sans was a more informal type of document such as police notes typed up but I could be wrong on that theory.

Is it possible an official copy was given to someone and that person typed it in comic sans including black outs? I don't know why that would be, just a thought. I can see why the phone numbers would be blacked out when placing this into the public realm.

Yes, it's extremely widely used in official documents, particularly in government and law enforcement departments. The obvious aim is to introduce comic levity and a healthy dose of "what the bejeesus are they doing using such a stupid and inappropriate typeface?" into what can often be seen as serious and weighty documents.

Did you know, for example, that the US Declaration of Independence was written in Comic Sans?




As of course was Nixon's resignation letter:

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Ann Wise on Mignini's summation

Seek, and ye shall find (hint: put keywords such as "Mignini saint make you have sex" into a website called "Google"):

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1943553,00.html

Ann Wise and Nikki Battista described it in asimilar way: "The prosecutor said Knox likely insulted Kercher during the assault, and imagines Knox saying, 'Now you'll be forced to have sex.'"

 

[Bill Williams]

On Quarto Grado, Raffaele calls on Rudy Guede to tell the truth.

Someone named Meluzzi is id'ed as a "consultant for Guede", and says that Guede never had relations with AK or RS. However, this Meluzzi says he'd think that Amanda could have done it, whereas Raffaele could not.

They wish that Sollecito's position would be cleared.

 

[carbonjam72]

On Quarto Grado, Raffaele calls on Rudy Guede to tell the truth.

Someone named Meluzzi is id'ed as a "consultant for Guede", and says that Guede never had relations with AK or RS. However, this Meluzzi says he'd think that Amanda could have done it, whereas Raffaele could not.

They wish that Sollecito's position would be cleared.

What channel Bill?

 

[acbytesla]

While Raf sits in jail waiting for the ECHR to actually do something?

I can't imagine Italy not seeking extradition, unless it also files a case against itself in ECHR on behalf of Raf.

Frankly, I stopped using logic to predict what the Italian courts would do. They have proven that intellectual reasoning has little to do with their decision process.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

I was going to ask CoulsdonUK if this "gotcha" comment of his works both ways.

I am also with him that this show should not have any bearing whatsoever on Cassazione's decision. Except for one thing: courts are also sensitive to what's known as the "public interest". In my jurisdiction, that is one of the two criteria for proceeding with charges criminally.....

..... is it in the public interest to do so.

Without Porta a Porta and other media stuff, just how does a court measure this? The "public interest" DOES play a role in criminal proceedings.

It is my view that it is not in the public interest to send innocents to jail, just because the courts have turned a blind-eye (and demonstrably so) to a suspect-centric investigation and conviction.

In the UK we have the Sub judice and contempt of court. TV programmes, publications covering an ongoing court case are not permitted. Indeed a defendant in a murder case would not be allowed to go on TV and talk about their case whilst it is under consideration by the court, to do so would place them in contempt of court, jail.

I am not suggesting that the sub judice rule is superior to other justice systems protocols or procedures but for me the very idea of opposing sides lobbying, courting public opinion to influence an ongoing case, is an anathema.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes, it's extremely widely used in official documents, particularly in government and law enforcement departments. The obvious aim is to introduce comic levity and a healthy dose of "what the bejeesus are they doing using such a stupid and inappropriate typeface?" into what can often be seen as serious and weighty documents.

Did you know, for example, that the US Declaration of Independence was written in Comic Sans?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_40237550ca95f714b3.jpg[/qimg]


As of course was Nixon's resignation letter:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_40237550caee48b34e.jpg[/qimg]

Please let this be sarcasm.

 

[Numbers]

Yes, it's extremely widely used in official documents, particularly in government and law enforcement departments. The obvious aim is to introduce comic levity and a healthy dose of "what the bejeesus are they doing using such a stupid and inappropriate typeface?" into what can often be seen as serious and weighty documents.

Did you know, for example, that the US Declaration of Independence was written in Comic Sans?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_40237550ca95f714b3.jpg[/qimg]


As of course was Nixon's resignation letter:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_40237550caee48b34e.jpg[/qimg]

Loved these examples. You neglected to mention that the US Constitution itself was in Comic Sans....the States needed some comic relief at that time.

 

[Bill Williams]

In the UK we have the Sub judice and contempt of court. TV programmes, publications covering an ongoing court case are not permitted. Indeed a defendant in a murder case would not be allowed to go on TV and talk about their case whilst it is under consideration by the court, to do so would place them in contempt of court, jail.

I am not suggesting that the sub judice rule is superior to other justice systems protocols or procedures but for me the very idea of opposing sides lobbying, courting public opinion to influence an ongoing case, is an anathema.

Ha!

For once you disrespect something Italian!

It couldn't be because this is something which goes against your belief? That would be confirmation bias.

So I withdraw the, "ha!"

 

[LondonJohn]

Please let this be sarcasm.

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/...-documents-recreated-with-the-comic-sans-font

 

[Numbers]

In the UK we have the Sub judice and contempt of court. TV programmes, publications covering an ongoing court case are not permitted. Indeed a defendant in a murder case would not be allowed to go on TV and talk about their case whilst it is under consideration by the court, to do so would place them in contempt of court, jail.

I am not suggesting that the sub judice rule is superior to other justice systems protocols or procedures but for me the very idea of opposing sides lobbying, courting public opinion to influence an ongoing case, is an anathema.

That rule of no publicity during trial or pre-trial is best for countries that have jury systems. Italy uses, for serious crime cases like this one, a system with 2 professional and 6 lay judges, who could not possibly be influenced by any media publicity, in the view of the Italian legal system.

 

[LondonJohn]

That rule of no publicity during trial or pre-trial is best for countries that have jury systems. Italy uses, for serious crime cases like this one, a system with 2 professional and 6 lay judges, who could not possibly be influenced by any media publicity, in the view of the Italian legal system.

Yes, and this is precisely why Italian prosecutors or police would never try (because there would be no point) to leak information damaging to the defendant(s) to compliant media contacts, in order to poison the well against said defendants.

Oh............wait................

 

[acbytesla]

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/...-documents-recreated-with-the-comic-sans-font

I knew the declaration was a farce and was very sure that Nixon'so resignation was typed using a standard typewriter, probably an IBM Selectric. So that was certainly a fraud. The comic sans-font probably was not seen in any mechanical fonts until the computer age.

 

[NancyS]

In the UK we have the Sub judice and contempt of court. TV programmes, publications covering an ongoing court case are not permitted. Indeed a defendant in a murder case would not be allowed to go on TV and talk about their case whilst it is under consideration by the court, to do so would place them in contempt of court, jail.

I am not suggesting that the sub judice rule is superior to other justice systems protocols or procedures but for me the very idea of opposing sides lobbying, courting public opinion to influence an ongoing case, is an anathema.

You must have been horrified by how the media treated Amanda prior to the first trial, definitely an anathema

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Ha!

For once you disrespect something Italian!
It couldn't be because this is something which goes against your belief? That would be confirmation bias.

So I withdraw the, "ha!"

Absolutely not!

I dislike the pontification amongst some commentators, that our justice system <insert country of choice> is so much better that Italy’s.

Italy has jurisdiction, if Raffaele and Amanda convictions are confirmed as many here seem to believe they have the option to appeal to the ECHR where thank goodness the kind of bare face lobbying would be ignored.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

You must have been horrified by how the media treated Amanda prior to the first trial, definitely an anathema

No! I remain horrified that the Kercher family had to deal with the brutal murder of daughter, sister and friend in a media frenzy, one which I doubt allows them to celebrate Meredith’s short life.

 

[Kauffer]

In the UK we have the Sub judice and contempt of court. TV programmes, publications covering an ongoing court case are not permitted. Indeed a defendant in a murder case would not be allowed to go on TV and talk about their case whilst it is under consideration by the court, to do so would place them in contempt of court, jail.

I am not suggesting that the sub judice rule is superior to other justice systems protocols or procedures but for me the very idea of opposing sides lobbying, courting public opinion to influence an ongoing case, is an anathema.

Your definition isn't quite right, but leaving that aside, how do you feel about members of juries getting their information about the case they are hearing from the very television programmes you disapprove of? How does that fit in to your view of what a fair trial looks like?

 

[NancyS]

No! I remain horrified that the Kercher family had to deal with the brutal murder of daughter, sister and friend in a media frenzy, one which I doubt allows them to celebrate Meredith’s short life.

It's awful, maybe you should write some letters of complaint to Vogt, Barbie and co., for their salacious reporting? Not only did they make things more difficult for the Kercher family, but they have also helped to prevent a fair trial process. As you said, an anathema

 

[Kauffer]

No!I remain horrified that the Kercher family had to deal with the brutal murder of daughter, sister and friend in a media frenzy, one which I doubt allows them to celebrate Meredith’s short life.

Really? You're not horrified by the way Ms Knox was treated?

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Your definition isn't quite right, but leaving that aside, how do you feel about members of juries getting their information about the case they are hearing from the very television programmes you disapprove of? How does that fit in to your view of what a fair trial looks like?

Clearly, I am speaking of UK jurisprudence.

In the UK Raffaele’s book would not have been published, TV interviews would not have happened. That being said, I get the distinct impression that there is still no groundswell of Italian public in support for Raffaele Sollecito, hence lobbying really only relates or applies across the pond.