Lord Language Resurrection.

[abaddon]

If to believe in your words all participants of this thread are strongly oppose my projects.

There is no project to oppose. Your projects have a body of supporters, population you and you alone.

So if you will establish the group of my project from 3 - 5 members you can establish the oppose fond from thousands members and millions dollars.

Go ahead and establish any group of supporters. You cannot. There is only you. This is not much of an incentive to establish an opposing group. What would they be opposing? You on your own? On an obscure internet site? Are we not already doing that?

My projects can bring according your words a great global social damage.

Prove it. Because so far, all you can promise is a vastly unpleasant "Day of Defecation" which is not the best of selling points to say the least.

So we need to establish great fond that will fight with it as long as possible with escalation the imitation of our war.

Sorry. "you want" does not directly equal "We need". I do not "need" or "want" to spend one seventh of my life with the roaring trots. Furthermore, having read all or most of your recommended reading list more than once, I have no burning desire to have the very same inflicted on my brain as you seem hell bent upon inflicting on my butt, thank you so very much. Your movement (pun very much intended) consists of you and that's all. Your political ideas seem to be a recipe for a big pile of North Korean style dung, and your dietary ideas seem to lead to the same result. Neither of these are happy results. For anyone, not even you.

What you are doing is trying to sell a political philosophy and a diet and a lifestyle which revolve around poo. Does this not seem in any way odd to you?

OMG, surely...couldn't be...no way...Patrick1000 rides again???????

Of course not. But the odd obsession with fecal doings is just plain weird. Why? I have a colleague who, every day round about 12 steps up from his desk, folds a newspaper under his arm and wanders off to the nearest head. Its like clockwork. We all know it and he acknowledges it, and derive some humour from it. In contrast, once every four or so days works fine for me. Not that I try for that, it is just how my body works.

Now, there is science behind this. Everyone has what is called a "Transit time" IOW how long it takes from food in to poo out. This varies per individual.

How, you might ask, do I know this you might ask? Well, I have two daughters, the eldest of which accidently swallowed a stainless steel ball bearing (don't even ask how). Over the following weeks and months this was tracked by X-Ray, at some expense, (yes, it really took that long) until eventually it passed. She most certainly inherited this from me since I have other medical reasons to support that I am the very same.

Enter her younger sibling, who eats it today and poops it tomorrow. And perfectly happy to do so. She has a far shorter "Transit time".

How exactly, does your cockamamey idea deal with trying to force a poop regime upon everyone when everyone is different?

 

[Peter i]

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Of course not. But the odd obsession with fecal doings is just plain weird. Why? I have a colleague who, every day round about 12 steps up from his desk, folds a newspaper under his arm and wanders off to the nearest head. Its like clockwork. We all know it and he acknowledges it, and derive some humour from it. In contrast, once every four or so days works fine for me. Not that I try for that, it is just how my body works.

Now, there is science behind this. Everyone has what is called a "Transit time" IOW how long it takes from food in to poo out. This varies per individual.

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Interesting!

You made med look it up, and it has been an interesting read:
http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/bowel-transit-time

Who'd have thunk, that "normal" speed is this slow?:

Fewer than 20% of the markers show up on an X-ray after 5 days (120 hours).

Give me a handful of those markers, and I shall demonstrate my abilities as a clockwork pile-crapper, and dispose of at least 90% in to days.







Apart from that, the emphasis on a totalitarian approach to toilet habits is for me a clear indicator, that the OP is either a troll or just nuts.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

No, it means that cash has a, albeit diminishing, purpose in an economy.

With cash you can pay, even when there is no power or internet. Power which you need for digital payments from account to account.
With cash you can say to a child 'Here's an euro. Go buy some icecream.'
With cash you can put some coins in the machine so that your caravan has power during the night when on holiday.

My country just stopped a long experiment with a form of digital cash. It turned out that paying with that digital cash was no different from paying direct from the account, but it had some real disadvantages. If you lose your bankcard, you can order a new one. If you lose your digital cash card, the money is gone.
If it turns out there is not enough 'cash' on that digital cash card you had to pay directly from your account anyway, doubling the time of making the payment.
And you couldn't use it in situations as mentioned above, so you still needed real cash!

In my project cash is forbidden because without cash the black and the grey economies (It is about 50% from all economy in the most even developed countries) couldn't exist.
But the check books the person can use, but only in force major situations.
The child can get everything from the sale person if his parent confirm that he agree to pay for it exempt goods and services that forbidden for children of course.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

I do not hate Jews. I do not know of any Jews except yourself who say that knowledge of Hebrew as a native language is necessary for salvation. If that is so, then the Jewish populations who didn't speak Hebrew as a native language, from the Babylonian Exile to the advent of Zionism, are now all in Hell. That is a preposterous and obnoxious idea.

On the topic of Hebrew: you will recall our discussion about whether the word "Hebrew" appears in the Tanakh, which you deny; and I gave you a list of its occurrences there from Strong's biblical concordance. Are you now able to comment on that?

I do not hate Jews. I do not know of any Jews except yourself who say that knowledge of Hebrew as a native language is necessary for salvation. If that is so, then the Jewish populations who didn't speak Hebrew as a native language, from the Babylonian Exile to the advent of Zionism, are now all in Hell. That is a preposterous and obnoxious idea.

You have identified yourself as the atheist.
For those type of people the Holy Resurrected Language as zero value.
For clerical and secular God Believers it is not so.
They can't ignore the facts of Resurrections of Holy Language and Holy Israel.
They have to urge very strongly to know this language natively and to be the equal citizens of Holy Resurrected Land.
My project gives them really this ability.

On the topic of Hebrew: you will recall our discussion about whether the word "Hebrew" appears in the Tanakh, which you deny; and I gave you a list of its occurrences there from Strong's biblical concordance. Are you now able to comment on that?

Once more.
"Hebrew" - [Ivrit] from the word [Ivri] - the sons of Ever.
[Ihudit] - from the word Juda - the sons of Jacob-Israel son - Juda.
First Zionists dreamed strongly to change their "Juda Sons" identification for identification of "Ever Sons".
Thats why the word [Ivrit] they have used insted of the word from Holy Book [Ihudit].
I think that all nations God believers will use the word God Resurrected Langude - [Godit] or [Eluit].

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

That was not what I was referring to.
I was referring to your statement that the EU had been established 15 years ago.
That was why I had highlighted that portion of the quote. I thought that was clear.

As Israeli citizen I advise to my country from 2000 in the frames of real policy to become the equal member of EU and NATO and only after this steps to return to the borders of 1967.
It doesn't mean that I refuse from my more advanced project than EU of course.

 

[Craig4]

It seems to me that even the 1st step of my diet could strengthen your nervous system.

Don't be silly your diet is a terrible idea and I'll never try it. Your work on it isn't good enough to convince rational people that not eating for seven days is somehow good for them.

 

[Craig B]

Once more.
"Hebrew" - [Ivrit] from the word [Ivri] - the sons of Ever.
[Ihudit] - from the word Juda - the sons of Jacob-Israel son - Juda.
First Zionists dreamed strongly to change their "Juda Sons" identification for identification of "Ever Sons".
Thats why the word [Ivrit] they have used insted of the word from Holy Book [Ihudit].
I think that all nations God believers will use the word God Resurrected Langude - [Godit] or [Eluit].

Once more to you.

You have stated that the word "Hebrew" is not found in the Tanakh. I have shown you sources that say it occurs more than thirty times, and I cited the first occurrence. Now, I am not asking what word God believers use. Do you understand that? I am asking you to say whether the word Hebrew appears in the Tanakh, as I have indicated that it does.

That is what I want to know. I am saying that your statement is not true. Here is the second alleged occurrence. Genesis 39:14, from the same concordance

39:14 וַתִּקְרָא לְאַנְשֵׁי בֵיתָהּ וַתֹּאמֶר לָהֶם לֵאמֹר רְאוּ הֵבִיא לָנוּ אִישׁ עִבְרִי לְצַחֶק בָּנוּ בָּא אֵלַי לִשְׁכַּב עִמִּי וָאֶקְרָא בְּקֹול גָּדֹֽול׃
Masoretic Text
That she called h7121 קָרָא qara unto the men h582 אֱנוֹשׁ 'enowsh of her house, h1004 בַּיִת bayith and spake h559 אָמַר 'amar unto them, saying, h559 אָמַר 'amar See, h7200 רָאָה ra'ah he hath brought in h935 בּוֹא bow' an Hebrew h376 אִישׁ 'iysh h5680 עִבְרִי `Ibriy ... Etc

See? It's word #5680 in Strong's Concordance, and it's in the Masoretic Text over 30 times. You say it's not there at all.

Please comment on what I have quoted here.

 

[Craig4]

As Israeli citizen I advise to my country from 2000 in the frames of real policy to become the equal member of EU and NATO and only after this steps to return to the borders of 1967.
It doesn't mean that I refuse from my more advanced project than EU of course.

Who in your government are you advising? Are you just street preaching or did you actually make it past someone's secretary and get a meeting?

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

It means that all private transactions are open to inspection by the rulers. They don't do this, at least not openly, because they fear that the population would resist such oppression.

They will be open to every person, but without anonymity of course.
All finance streams will be open according my project.

Why do you assume that all personal activities not sanctioned by your corporate state are crimes? Are all letters to be opened in transit in case they are criminal messages? Are all telephone conversations to be eavesdropped? Do you want to go back to the situation your father experienced under Stalin?

One Soviet man have no secrets from an other Soviet man.
Unfortunately it was the liar slogan.
Today we have a very simple alternative.
Or the limit group of persons will have the absolute accessibility to all information about every person or every person will have this ability
I am for the second variant of course.

 

[Craig4]

They will be open to every person, but without anonymity of course.
All finance streams will be open according my project.

One Soviet man have no secrets from an other Soviet man.
Unfortunately it was the liar slogan.
Today we have a very simple alternative.
Or the limit group of persons will have the absolute accessibility to all information about every person or every person will have this ability
I am for the second variant of course.

We're not going to do this. I prefer to keep my financial information private. Our banking laws are generally supportive of this and you don't have the clout to change them.

 

[Craig B]

They will be open to every person, but without anonymity of course.
All finance streams will be open according my project.

One Soviet man have no secrets from an other Soviet man.
Unfortunately it was the liar slogan.
Today we have a very simple alternative.
Or the limit group of persons will have the absolute accessibility to all information about every person or every person will have this ability
I am for the second variant of course.

Every person will have absolute accessibility to all information about every other person? That's completely mad. It is the acme of lunacy. Such a society would be not merely intolerable, but phantasmagoric.

 

[Craig B]

I am saying that your statement is not true. Here is the second alleged occurrence. Genesis 39:14, from the same concordance See? It's word #5680 in Strong's Concordance, and it's in the Masoretic Text over 30 times. You say it's not there at all.

Please comment on what I have quoted here.

If all information is to be available, perhaps you could now comment on that post. To help you, Strong's Concordance lists these verses as containing the word "Hebrew" in the MT version of the Tanakh.

Genesis 14:13; 39:14; 39:17; 40:15; 41:12; 42:3.
Exodus 1:15; 1:16; 1:19; 2:6; 2:7; 2:11; 2:13, 3:18; 5:3; 7:16; 9:1; 9:13; 10:3; 21:2.
Deuteronomy 15:12.
1 Samuel 4:6; 4:9; 13:3; 13:7; 13:19; 14:11, 21; 29:3.
Jeremiah 34:9; 34:14.
Jonah 1:9.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Well, isn't it the logical evolution?

Since the rest of the world is not likely to voluntarily embrace the Wonderful New Order of:

- an archaic language, presently spoken only by a minority
- horrible food
- being hungry most of the week
- chronic digestive problems and malnutrition

They must be "convinced and embraced" with military force.

I guess some "re-education camps" will be next on the agenda.

Your logic is the typical for the citizen from modern false democracy state of Social Darwinism.
You can imagine what means the fight for social surviving.
But you can't imagine what means the fight with fight for social surviving.
The implementation of my project is this very effective fight but without any violence from your stereotypical list.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

It is indeed and it can be seen almost everywhere where there is a radical change in the society.
At the very core there is always some good idea (hey those french nobility and clergy have all the power and money, while we have to pay all the taxes. That is not fair!). In this case there is the idea that people would all get along better if they spoke the same language and have the same culture.

Maybe it would work, maybe not, but at the core the idea has some merit. It's a variation of 'Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was nice?'

The problems start when it turns out not everybody shares the idea of the ideal end state. Then additional layers of rules/force get added to the process needed to get to the end state.
It happened in France, It happened in the USSR and many, many more places.

Here we see it happening again. Fortunately it is still only a thought excercise and there is no chance of it becoming reality. But even here the radicalisation (is that a real word?) is already starting.

Very fascinating to watch it happening.

It seems for you that my social ideals are radical in negative sense of this word.
It is not so.
My profession is the designer and inventor of non standard equipment: crane, lift machines, dredgers.
Today I am the social designer and the social inventor but I use the same methods of making inventions that used successfully in technical area.
My so called "radicalism" is radicalism of good social inventor and no more.

 

[Craig4]

Your logic is the typical for the citizen from modern false democracy state of Social Darwinism.
You can imagine what means the fight for social surviving.
But you can't imagine what means the fight with fight for social surviving.
The implementation of my project is this very effective fight but without any violence from your stereotypical list.

Oh no, streets would run with blood if you tried to implement your plan. Your hand waving away, what did you you call them, "secondary questions" doesn't means those problems don't exist. It's just best we don't do this.

 

[Craig B]

It seems for you that my social ideals are radical in negative sense of this word.
It is not so.
My profession is the designer and inventor of non standard equipment: crane, lift machines, dredgers.
Today I am the social designer and the social inventor but I use the same methods of making inventions that used successfully in technical area.
My so called "radicalism" is radicalism of good social inventor and no more.

You mean that designing dredgers and designing societies involve the use of the same methods, in your opinion. That explains some of your strange ideas. Your dystopia would resemble a dredger more closely than it would resemble a democracy.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

I think that is a catastrophic idea: absolutely outrageous.

In practice it means that some gang of imperialists (in this particular case extreme Zionists backed by American muscle) says to the rest of the world:

Adopt our languages as your native ones, embrace our culture, accept our centre as your political capital, and abandon all ideas of choosing your own representatives - or we will not "get along" with you.

This is a monstrosity. It is the perennial aspiration of the worst kind of imperialists.

Till the age of 7 years old every child will know English, Holy Language, the language of his nation and 3 languages from the list of 72 languages from Google Translate accordion the random sample.
It means that the native speakers of every of those languages will increase on 300 mln persons!!!
It will be the great most nations revolution, the great cosmopolitan revolution, the great international revolution, the great cosmopolitan revolution and the great revolution of 4 world cultures in secular format.
There are 112 so called the Official Languages of UN in the world.
We can give all of them to the children till 7 years old in the same way.
In this case the number of native speakers of every official language will increase on 187.5 ml persons.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

I figured. I'm just sort of amused by his idea that anyone who agrees on any of his points is part of his movement. Using his logic, if he added a point saying that puppies were cute, everyone who agreed suddenly signed on to help him destroy the world economy and start an apocalyptic war.

Let us presume that we make the social poll and ask people separately about every of 4 my blocks and 13 constitutional points.
For sure most people will agree minimum with one of those 17 points.
So most people will be the members of my "New Saturday Movement".
If you like to drink vodka as I it doesn't mean that you are the member of my movement.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Till the age of 7 years old every child will know English, Holy Language, the language of his nation and 3 languages from the list of 72 languages from Google Translate accordion the random sample.
It means that the native speakers of every of those languages will increase on 300 mln persons!!!
It will be the great most nations revolution, the great cosmopolitan revolution, the great international revolution, the great cosmopolitan revolution and the great revolution of 4 world cultures in secular format.
There are 112 so called the Official Languages of UN in the world.
We can give all of them to the children till 7 years old in the same way.
In this case the number of native speakers of every official language will increase on 187.5 ml persons.

Much like everything else you come up with you ignore the practical issues.

What are your plans for the countless local dialects?

For example I work with a guy who visits his mother in Taxco Mexico, We chatted about his trip and he remarked trying to ask for directions but was getting nowhere despite being a native speaker. FYI there are over 50 dialects and that is just Mexico.

Also your urging for the elimination of really beautiful languages like French and Italian but then again this whole, frankly stupid, idea all hinges on:

Speak what I tell you
Eat when and what I tell you
Poop when I tell you
Rest and work when I tell you
Use this form of currency I deem fit

Who will be giving you this authority? Not I nor anyone else, Hell I'd fight you and your emaciated armies tot he bitter end to stop it.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Oops. No you have stepped into my bailiwick. You are plain flat out wrong. There is no other way to state it. The way ISO (which one BTW?) works is not in any way even vaguely similar to your idea.

The systems of quality assurance use the statistical methods of random samples.
My system of social quality assurance uses the statistical methods of random samples and the system of procedures of anonymous communications between experts and and authors of projects.
Job places and state power places accordion lottery from professional tested candidates is the social quality assurance system too.