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This is how you avoid accepting responsibility.

Maybe I'm being cynical, but since there is millions of dollars at stake, I wonder how many of the 100s of accusers are true victims. Greed isn't limited to the Catholic leadership. At least you know the people in the graves are dead ;)
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
If you by wrong mean something moral/ethical, I would like evidence for that. If you mean that could choose to do differently, I would like evidence for what they should do.
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Seriously? there is a question as to the morality of not compensating sexually abused children?

As to the second question: they should pay the legal fine to their victims, rather than attempt to use a cynical trick to allow them to hang on to the money. If they really don't have enough money to both put plants on graves and pay these victims, then they should pay the living victims with as much money as they have.

Not a very difficult question to answer, really.
 
stanfr said:
Maybe I'm being cynical, but since there is millions of dollars at stake, I wonder how many of the 100s of accusers are true victims. Greed isn't limited to the Catholic leadership. At least you know the people in the graves are dead ;)
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Who will be paid will be determined by the law, and they will need/have to provide proof that they were abused. I am sure there will be some fraud, but that is true in all cases where money is involved, and society can only try to minimize the fraud, and punish it when uncovered.

Everyone in the graves may be dead, but I suspect that many of them were not "true" Catholics as defined by the current Church. Are we certain that none of them were secretly gay, or ever lusted for their neighbor's wife/husband in their hearts, or ate beef on Friday before the 1960s?
 
3point14 said:
I really don't know what your agenda is. And you clearly have one, even if it's only as a wind up merchant, however, I could not let the bolded bit go unhighlighted.

You believe that there is equivocation available over whether it is wrong to rape small children? You believe that that question is 'a bit more complicated than that'?

Could you explain in what way you think there's a moral complication here?
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Things outside your brain can't be wrong, because there are no actual/concrete negatives nor positives. They are a result of processes in your brain.
There are no good/right nor bad/wrong acts out there that you can point to. Nor are there any good/right nor bad/wrong people out there. In the end that is a consequence of biological evolution. How you perceive positives and negatives in something in you.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
So you have evidence for it? Then please give it.
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Would you accept the bible as evidence?

Oh-never mind. I don't truly understand the point Jeppensen is seeking to make, but I am happy to just let this comment stand without a reply.
 
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Giordano said:
Would you accept the bible as evidence?

Oh-never mind.
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No, I am a skeptic.

From my sig: "I don't believe in God and all the rest outside of methodological naturalism But I am a cognitive and ethical relativist/subjectivist and skeptic."
 
Giordano said:
Seriously? there is a question as to the morality of not compensating sexually abused children?

As to the second question: they should pay the legal fine to their victims, rather than attempt to use a cynical trick to allow them to hang on to the money. If they really don't have enough money to both put plants on graves and pay these victims, then they should pay the living victims with as much money as they have.

Not a very difficult question to answer, really.
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Yes - it really is as simple as this.
 
stanfr said:
Maybe I'm being cynical, but since there is millions of dollars at stake, I wonder how many of the 100s of accusers are true victims. Greed isn't limited to the Catholic leadership. At least you know the people in the graves are dead ;)
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The accusers, for the most part, came forward before the Church agreed to pay anything.
 
NoahFence said:
Is this the "See how logical I am" portion of the thread?

Not working.

Raping children is vile and evil. Do you need evidence that the Sun is hot?
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Hot is a subjective feeling. So is vile and evil. You can give evidence for the temperature of the sun. Now I like evidence for vile and evil.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
If you by wrong mean something moral/ethical, I would like evidence for that. If you mean that could choose to do differently, I would like evidence for what they should do.
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Pay the money.

If they had paid their money with a nice letter expressing their sorrow they could have reaped a little gain on all this but they are choosing the lowest possible path.
 
stanfr said:
Maybe I'm being cynical, but since there is millions of dollars at stake, I wonder how many of the 100s of accusers are true victims. Greed isn't limited to the Catholic leadership. At least you know the people in the graves are dead ;)
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You think some or all of them are lying?
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Things outside your brain can't be wrong, because there are no actual/concrete negatives nor positives. They are a result of processes in your brain.
There are no good/right nor bad/wrong acts out there that you can point to. Nor are there any good/right nor bad/wrong people out there. In the end that is a consequence of biological evolution. How you perceive positives and negatives in something in you.
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That pretentious, unoriginal word salad is all I needed. Thank you.
You have a nice day.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Things outside your brain can't be wrong, because there are no actual/concrete negatives nor positives. They are a result of processes in your brain.
There are no good/right nor bad/wrong acts out there that you can point to. Nor are there any good/right nor bad/wrong people out there. In the end that is a consequence of biological evolution. How you perceive positives and negatives in something in you.
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May I take your car?
Oh, why am I even asking? It's not like it would be bad or wrong.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Things outside your brain can't be wrong, because there are no actual/concrete negatives nor positives. They are a result of processes in your brain.
There are no good/right nor bad/wrong acts out there that you can point to. Nor are there any good/right nor bad/wrong people out there. In the end that is a consequence of biological evolution. How you perceive positives and negatives in something in you.
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Oh, for god's sake- does this have to turn into another pointless and pretentious "subjective vs objective" thread? Raped children outside your brain are as real and really wrong as anything can be. Stop trying to split philosophical hairs to make some grand solipsistic demonstration of it.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Hot is a subjective feeling. So is vile and evil. You can give evidence for the temperature of the sun. Now I like evidence for vile and evil.
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The normative nature of morality does not mean it is worthless, and it does not make the above post any less pretentious, silly, and rather disgusting.

There is a time and place for trying to score Skeptic Points. Making light of a group of rapists that have targeted children is not that time.
 
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