Lord Language Resurrection.

[erwinl]

I am absolutely sure that my project will make most people free for 26 weeks a year from their repetitive hating work.

I am absolutely sure that better even repetitive drink than repetitive hating work.

That was not what I was referring to.
I was referring to your statement that the EU had been established 15 years ago.
That was why I had highlighted that portion of the quote. I thought that was clear.

 

[Craig B]

Yes!
Because cash forbidden is the only way of black and grey economy total elimination.
The fact that all rulers don't do this just proves that all of them are criminals.

It means that all private transactions are open to inspection by the rulers. They don't do this, at least not openly, because they fear that the population would resist such oppression.

Why do you assume that all personal activities not sanctioned by your corporate state are crimes? Are all letters to be opened in transit in case they are criminal messages? Are all telephone conversations to be eavesdropped? Do you want to go back to the situation your father experienced under Stalin?

 

[Peter i]

That is indeed an interesting change of position.
At first the changes in society that were proposed were socio-economical(ish), but now it seems that the only thing that would count is a pure military alliance, that has nothing to do with the socio-economical ways the member states are organised.
And that is in addition there are some countries (not many, but we might be able to name a few ) that don't border the north-Atlantic and/or are in Europe.

Well, isn't it the logical evolution?

Since the rest of the world is not likely to voluntarily embrace the Wonderful New Order of:

- an archaic language, presently spoken only by a minority
- horrible food
- being hungry most of the week
- chronic digestive problems and malnutrition

They must be "convinced and embraced" with military force.

I guess some "re-education camps" will be next on the agenda.

 

[erwinl]

Well, isn't it the logical evolution?

Since the rest of the world is not likely to voluntarily embrace the Wonderful New Order of:

- an archaic language, presently spoken only by a minority
- horrible food
- being hungry most of the week
- chronic digestive problems and malnutrition

They must be "convinced and embraced" with military force.

I guess some "re-education camps" will be next on the agenda.

It is indeed and it can be seen almost everywhere where there is a radical change in the society.
At the very core there is always some good idea (hey those french nobility and clergy have all the power and money, while we have to pay all the taxes. That is not fair!). In this case there is the idea that people would all get along better if they spoke the same language and have the same culture.

Maybe it would work, maybe not, but at the core the idea has some merit. It's a variation of 'Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was nice?'

The problems start when it turns out not everybody shares the idea of the ideal end state. Then additional layers of rules/force get added to the process needed to get to the end state.
It happened in France, It happened in the USSR and many, many more places.

Here we see it happening again. Fortunately it is still only a thought excercise and there is no chance of it becoming reality. But even here the radicalisation (is that a real word?) is already starting.

Very fascinating to watch it happening.

 

[Craig B]

At the very core there is always some good idea (hey those french nobility and clergy have all the power and money, while we have to pay all the taxes. That is not fair!). In this case there is the idea that people would all get along better if they spoke the same language and have the same culture.

I think that is a catastrophic idea: absolutely outrageous.

In practice it means that some gang of imperialists (in this particular case extreme Zionists backed by American muscle) says to the rest of the world:

Adopt our languages as your native ones, embrace our culture, accept our centre as your political capital, and abandon all ideas of choosing your own representatives - or we will not "get along" with you.

This is a monstrosity. It is the perennial aspiration of the worst kind of imperialists.

 

[Craig4]

In fact I don't agree with him on any points. NC wrote I think replacing false criminal democracy with real democracy is a good thing. But then when I read what NC meant by real democracy, which is sortition by some process, with the abolition of all popular political movements, and the suppression of voting or a democratic legislature, I realised that his definition of democracy is completely absurd and unacceptable.

So, no points of agreement.

I figured. I'm just sort of amused by his idea that anyone who agrees on any of his points is part of his movement. Using his logic, if he added a point saying that puppies were cute, everyone who agreed suddenly signed on to help him destroy the world economy and start an apocalyptic war.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

So your empire is to be a military alliance incorporating every state in the world, but with no democratically elected representatives. I see.

At least in 1984 there were three of these polities. Orwell's dystopia sounds quite liberal compared with yours.

Please stop to try to find the analogical primitive classical stereotypical models to my social models.
The democracy of "New Saturday" is not today's false democracy of election between criminals.
The base of my democracy are the laws of mathematics statistic - the same as the base of quality assurance modern systems according ISO.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Not counting the days I'll be bed ridden due to hunger and the other day where I'll be taking that huge crap. I feel like my vacations won't be too enjoyable.

You have to understand that the resurrected person is not the person that have become weaker this person before his death.
The resurrected person is the person much more stronger than he was before his death.
And this resurrections will be every 7th Day in the "To eat only in the 7th Day lifestyle".
The more crap will be in your great peristaltic catharsis - the more creatively enlightenment will be your mind and spirit in your 6 days of creative job or creative vacation.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

It's your "social inventions" like the compulsory acquisition of Hebrew as a native language, the bizarre labour and caste system, the outrageous diet and the exaltation of Israel as a Holy capital ordained by God that will make your dystopia quite different from the EU. It will not be an association of countries, but a crazy empire dependent on violence for its survival, which is impossible anyway.

Today most civilized people are agree that so called that so called the Judeo - Christian civilization really exists.
We are near to recognize that the Judeo - Christian - Muslim civilization really exists.
One more step and we will recognize the existing of Judeo - Christian - Muslim civilization.
My social project absolutely adequate this real trend of our life.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

That is indeed an interesting change of position.
At first the changes in society that were proposed were socio-economical(ish), but now it seems that the only thing that would count is a pure military alliance, that has nothing to do with the socio-economical ways the member states are organised.
And that is in addition there are some countries (not many, but we might be able to name a few ) that don't border the north-Atlantic and/or are in Europe.

The model of EU began to work worse and worse from first 10 - 12 members.Now with 28 members it works very bad.
The model of my union does not depend from the number of equal members because all decision making processes depend from math statistics laws and the laws of creative and anonymity communication between authors and experts.
All developed and developing countries can be the equal members of my union.

 

[abaddon]

Please stop to try to find the analogical primitive classical stereotypical models to my social models.
The democracy of "New Saturday" is not today's false democracy of election between criminals.
The base of my democracy are the laws of mathematics statistic - the same as the base of quality assurance modern systems according ISO.

Oops. No you have stepped into my bailiwick. You are plain flat out wrong. There is no other way to state it. The way ISO (which one BTW?) works is not in any way even vaguely similar to your idea.

 

[abaddon]

You have to understand that the resurrected person is not the person that have become weaker this person before his death.
The resurrected person is the person much more stronger than he was before his death.
And this resurrections will be every 7th Day in the "To eat only in the 7th Day lifestyle".
The more crap will be in your great peristaltic catharsis - the more creatively enlightenment will be your mind and spirit in your 6 days of creative job or creative vacation.

Wrong. Dead people remain dead. Permanently.

 

[abaddon]

Today most civilized people are agree that so called that so called the Judeo - Christian civilization really exists.
We are near to recognize that the Judeo - Christian - Muslim civilization really exists.
One more step and we will recognize the existing of Judeo - Christian - Muslim civilization.
My social project absolutely adequate this real trend of our life.

This is all an absolutely correct and accurate portrayal of reality on Planet Sausage.

 

[Craig B]

Please stop to try to find the analogical primitive classical stereotypical models to my social models.
The democracy of "New Saturday" is not today's false democracy of election between criminals.
The base of my democracy are the laws of mathematics statistic - the same as the base of quality assurance modern systems according ISO.

In Ancient Athens the system of selection by lot was managed on behalf of the Assembly, a body of citizens that was the sovereign power in the state.

Who will exercise sovereign power in your dystopia? Numbers? Your laws will be the laws of mathematics? That is gibberish. If there are criminals in a democracy - which has ways of limiting the damage they do - above all a free press and frequent elections - how many more will there be when criminals in power have to fear not the laws of the country, but the laws of mathematics?

Did Stalin's gang of brigands and thieves fear mathematics? Or did they fear democracy and free expression? Mathematics was the one thing they left alone. It presented no danger to their power. Freedom of voting they ruthlessly suppressed.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

I now repeat my question. Look at this statement. Tell me if it is true or not. It is stated to be word #5680 in Strong's Concordance and its occurrences are listed here, by verse.

These sources disagree with you. They say that the word in question is but you say These statements are in plain contradiction. Please tell me which is right and which is wrong.

If I am right they have to refuse from the base word of modern Israel - "Ivrit" and to use the word from Tanakh - "Judit".
Jews are very afraid to recognize themselves as the sons of Juda because people think that we are the sons of another Juda that betrayed Christ.
Zionists wanted to be the sons of Ever and not the sons of Abraham, Isaak, Jakov, Juda.
So after there greatest deal - Resurrection of Holy Language - Ihudit they named it "Ivrit" to false the real situation.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...sympathy-not-just-europe-also-among-americans


Here is an interesting article about world perceptions of Israel. On the positive or negative perception chart, it ranks just above North Korea and below Russia. Now, do you really think the people in the European and North American democracies will ever join your union with Israel?

Most right-wing in Israel have ideological roots of Jabotinsky.
"I want to build our jewish state the same as others national states with our own jewish thieves and prostitutes." - It was his main and most known point of view.
Today we have this state.
But I want to build another state from my favorite Holy Resurrected Israel - without jewish thieves and prostitutes.
And I want the others nations to be without thieves and prostitutes simulary citizens of Holy Resurrected Land.
My project gives this ability to every country.
Yesterday I told about this to people that have the Jabotinsky base ideology and they paid much attention on those my words.

 

[Craig B]

If I am right they have to refuse from the base word of modern Israel - "Ivrit" and to use the word from Tanakh - "Judit".
Jews are very afraid to recognize themselves as the sons of Juda because people think that we are the sons of another Juda that betrayed Christ.
Zionists wanted to be the sons of Ever and not the sons of Abraham, Isaak, Jakov, Juda.
So after there greatest deal - Resurrection of Holy Language - Ihudit they named it "Ivrit" to false the real situation.

I have no idea what any of that means. I am discussing the wording of the Tanakh.

You have evidently not understood me, so I will repeat. You have stated that the word "Hebrew" doesn't occur in the text of the Tanakh. Here is what I stated, from the wiki entry on "Hebrews"

Hebrews (Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; Modern Hebrew ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim; ISO 259-3 ʕibrim, ʕibriyim) is a term appearing 34 times within 32 verses

My question is simple. Is the above statement true or not?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

You have to understand that the resurrected person is not the person that have become weaker this person before his death.
The resurrected person is the person much more stronger than he was before his death.
And this resurrections will be every 7th Day in the "To eat only in the 7th Day lifestyle".
The more crap will be in your great peristaltic catharsis - the more creatively enlightenment will be your mind and spirit in your 6 days of creative job or creative vacation.

OK. Now I'm on the side of people thinking this is an elaborate joke.

Ever seen any zombie movie? The resurrected are always slow, moaning and subject to having piano's dropped on their heads.

 

[Craig4]

Most right-wing in Israel have ideological roots of Jabotinsky.
"I want to build our jewish state the same as others national states with our own jewish thieves and prostitutes." - It was his main and most known point of view.
Today we have this state.
But I want to build another state from my favorite Holy Resurrected Israel - without jewish thieves and prostitutes.
And I want the others nations to be without thieves and prostitutes simulary citizens of Holy Resurrected Land.
My project gives this ability to every country.
Yesterday I told about this to people that have the Jabotinsky base ideology and they paid much attention on those my words.

Did any of the people you talked to give you money or offer to organize support?

 

[Craig B]

But I want to build another state from my favorite Holy Resurrected Israel - without jewish thieves and prostitutes.
And I want the others nations to be without thieves and prostitutes simulary citizens of Holy Resurrected Land.
My project gives this ability to every country.

Yes, what you write here is true. If the thieves and prostitutes eat fifteen pounds of raw unsalted buckwheat mash, four pounds of raw chicken plus raw beet on Saturday and nothing on the other days, soon there will be no thieves and prostitutes.