Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Machiavelli]

(...)

What I see here in the highlighted portion is double speak for: "I'll say what you need me to say if you can make it so I am not accused of the actual murder. If you want Amanda and Raffaele so bad, I am your avenue to get them. But the cost will be that I am not solely blamed for the murder." (...)

... which doesn't make sense, since it's inconsistent with reality. In fact, in reality, Guede did not testify against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.
He only placed half-pieces of evidence against them, and this happened only when their defences started to blame Guede.

 

[Numbers]

In fact the position "coroner" doesn't exist in Italy meant as a governmental post, but the specialty "Medicina Legale" exists, and means exactly the specialization (and therefore a certification) to the work funcions that are equivalent to a coroner.
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LOL. First of all, Mach, you are persisting in using the word "coroner" for a person who is a medical and genetics (including DNA) researcher.

Here is a definition:
coroner
Houghton Mifflin
n.noun

A public officer whose primary function is to investigate any death thought to be of other than natural causes.

A coroner is NOT a medical researcher, and is not necessarily a medical expert. The "coroner" is an official in charge of overseeing the investigation of suspicious deaths, for example, by getting medical specialists such as pathologists to examine a body or samples from a body. In some jurisdictions, the coroner will by law conduct a trial (more properly, a hearing or inquiry), where the medical specialists and possibly police or other "first responders" may testify, in order to legally determine whether a suspicious death was the result of a criminal act, accident, suicide, unrecognized illness, or other cause. In the US, some jurisdictions have replaced the coroner position with a "medical examiner" who must actually have a background in pathology or medicine, with the intent of achieving better communication between the medical specialists and the authorities.

To call Carla Vecciotti a "coroner" is an absurdity. And her CV shows considerable expertise in forensics and DNA research. And you have yet to produce the CV of Patrizia Stefanoni of the Italian Scientific Police.

ETA: And despite your misstatement, "Medicina Legale" translates to Forensic Medicine, which would include DNA analysis.

 

[platonov]

It gets better

Frank Sfarzo makes a good point. (Expect detractors to attack Sfarzo and not address the point.)

If Amanda Knox accused Lumumba at interrogation..... why did she not accuse Lumumba at her first appearance before Matteini?

Can the guilters answer that, instead of attacking the messenger?

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-acquitted-then-convicted-what-to-believe/

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There's more.....

Wow

Because, Bill, she didn't speak before Matteini not even to withdraw her accusation of PL. Which she wrote about in her gift of the 6th.

Frank is quite the source isn't he!

ETA Although when he is selling stuff like this to his ‘audience’ he is not beating up women or biting cops – Will that do

 

[Desert Fox]

Ah well in the US, the term "coroner" appears to have been misappropriated as an equivalent to "medical examiner".

But I believe I am correct in saying that coroners in the US - "proper" coroners, that is - are judicial appointments. And the etymology of the word clearly signifies that the position is a crown appointment with governmental (judicial) responsibilities.

The proper job is medical examiner (exists in some jurisdictions) I believe and I think the proper term is Chief Medical Examiner.

 

[Bill Williams]

Wow

Because, Bill, she didn't speak before Matteini not even to withdraw her accusation of PL. Which she wrote about in her gift of the 6th.

Frank is quite the source isn't he!

Therefore she did not accuse him.

 

[Bill Williams]

... which doesn't make sense, since it's inconsistent with reality. In fact, in reality, Guede did not testify against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.
He only placed half-pieces of evidence against them, and this happened only when their defences started to blame Guede.

Is this like someone being "strongly suspected"?

 

[Machiavelli]

From an article I saw today, I thought the translation was due on April 10, and the argument would be heard on April 30. I didn't see any reference to May 14?

But this is good news I think, that an independent evaluation has been granted, as it means Mignini can't deal from a stacked deck with a fraudulent translation.

I predict the murder convictions will be annulled on March 25. And Mignini's defamation case will be dismissed, after allowing Mignini to twist in the wind whilst getting taken down a peg.

I asked Mach previously, but is Raf's lawyer Brazzoli, the same lawyer who was a defendant in the Florence 20 Narducci Trail case Mignini lost? Because that lawyer was the only defendant to insist on an outright acquittal, rather than allowing the charges to be dismissed by statute of limitations. So if it is the same guy, the proceedings could get fiesty (I hope).

His name is Brizioli.

Btw, he was a member of a known youth burglars gang active in Rome during his twenties, in the years around 1965. That criminal gand was called I Camaleonti, it was all made of wealthy good-family youths, it had 41 members, the sons of professionals and politicians, and was a subsidiary of the much more dangerous Banda della Magliana, the most powerful and notorious politico-mafioso Roman gang.

Other two friends of Narducci were ex-members of the gang.

 

[Bill Williams]

To call Carla Vecciotti a "coroner" is an absurdity. And her CV shows considerable expertise in forensics and DNA research. And you have yet to produce the CV of Patrizia Stefanoni of the Italian Scientific Police.

Expect crickets from now on.

 

[Machiavelli]

Is this like someone being "strongly suspected"?

No, it's something else.

 

[Strozzi]

Wait, why does Mignini get 2 translators, and Amanda only got a half-assed mediator?
Diocletus, you forget. Amanda also got a notary!

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Roman Mero

"According to Italian newspapers yesterday, Mr Lumumba's testimony has also taken a knock following the questioning of a Swiss professor who Mr Lumumba claimed would provide him with an alibi. The bar owner said the professor was drinking in Le Chic from 8pm to 10pm and would be able to confirm Mr Lumumba's presence there. But police investigators, who questioned the Swiss national in secrecy away from the media glare after he flew into Italy on Sunday, have revealed that he could not confirm that the Congolese national was present the whole time. Police claim that at 8.38pm Mr Lumumba's mobile phone placed him in the vicinity of Ms Kercher's house. Last week a leak from the forensic scientists investigating the crime revealed that none of the 140 finger and palm prints inside the room belong to Mr Lumumba." link

 

[platonov]

Therefore she did not accuse him.

The gift Bill, the gift.

This is better than the RS statement argument

 

[Numbers]

Just in case my ETA above was missed, to correct Mach's "translation" of:

Medicina Legale as "coroner", Google Translate gives this translation:

Forensic Medicine.

I leave it to readers here which translation makes more sense for the academic department that hosts Professor Carla Vecchiotti.

 

[Dougm]

Is this like someone being "strongly suspected"?

I think it's more like "drive by" testimony. Cruise in, make a few innuendos, don't get cross examined.

Lovely.

 

[carbonjam72]

His name is Brizioli.

Btw, he was a member of a known youth burglars gang active in Rome during his twenties, in the years around 1965. That criminal gand was called I Camaleonti, it was all made of wealthy good-family youths, it had 41 members, the sons of professionals and politicians, and was a subsidiary of the much more dangerous Banda della Magliana, the most powerful and notorious politico-mafioso Roman gang.

Other two friends of Narducci were ex-members of the gang.

Fascinating background Mach.

Is there any relationship between the kid's gang, the bigger mafia gang, and the masons? Do you think Brizioli was part of a satanic or masonic sect, along with the Narducci's, stealing women's body parts in the MOF murders as the 'obscene wafers' for their ritualistic 'black masses'?

It's a serious question, I just want to understand what you believe.

Will Brizioli have an opportunity to question Mignini on the witness stand? Because I would pay to see that.

 

[Machiavelli]

To call Carla Vecciotti a "coroner" is an absurdity. And her CV shows considerable expertise in forensics and DNA research. And you have yet to produce the CV of Patrizia Stefanoni of the Italian Scientific Police.

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I have no duty to produce anything: I am not the person who put forward an argument about an alleged Stefanoni's lesser qualification compared to Vecchiotti, and the innocentisti are those who stated that Stefanoni has only a BA degree. This "lesser qualification" is an original pro-Knox supporters argument, it was was their argument and that about the BA was their statement.
They just have a duty to verify their statement before making them. I don't have to provide anything beyond stating what is self-evident to an Italian who reads the public sources.

 

[platonov]

The power of numbers

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To call Carla Vecciotti a "coroner" is an absurdity. And her CV shows considerable expertise in forensics and DNA research. And you have yet to produce the CV of Patrizia Stefanoni of the Italian Scientific Police.
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As this is apparently a matter of great importance would it not be wiser if you all followed Desert Fox's example and emailed the Italian cops (all the branches) instead of depending on Mach.
Half the mails in English - half in google translated Italian.

Lets get to work.

Actually whats the latest petition up to - 500,000 ? Get them all involved.

Oh and copy in the Pope.

 

[Machiavelli]

Fascinating background Mach.

Is there any relationship between the kid's gang, the bigger mafia gang, and the masons?

Of course there is.

Do you think Brizioli was part of a satanic or masonic sect

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Not satanic. Just masonic.

along with the Narducci's, stealing women's body parts in the MOF murders as the 'obscene wafers' for their ritualistic 'black masses'?

No. He was not involved directly in that (IMO). But he was involved in concealing the implications and ties of the other members of the Narducci family.

(...) Will Brizioli have an opportunity to question Mignini on the witness stand? Because I would pay to see that.

In what trial? You mean the Sollecito book trial? Theoretically yes, he is free to do that. But I think Brizioli won't do that, because it would be a move likely to harm his client. Defense attorneys usually don't summon accusation witness to testify.

 

[Strozzi]

There was a partial accounting (in quotes) of Raffaele's November 5/6 statement in Corriere della Sera I think date November 7 (and where I think the Telegraph's article comes from); his full statement is now included in the documents on The Meredith Wiki. The partial statement is somewhere on these many threads.

As for the images, I think while it is true that Maresca showed the images in court I remember reading somewhere that he did inform the court of what he intended to do and asked for it to be closed to public view but that did not happen. If I find where I read this I will post here. And it is possible I am mistaken and placing two different events into one.

Are you uncertain? Is your memory faulty? When you entered the cottage that morning, was Filomena's door closed or slightly ajar?

 

[Bill Williams]

... which doesn't make sense, since it's inconsistent with reality. In fact, in reality, Guede did not testify against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.
He only placed half-pieces of evidence against them, and this happened only when their defences started to blame Guede.

Is this like someone being "strongly suspected"?

No, it's something else.

That's what I was getting at. It's BS.

Are you serious? You are literally inventing a foreign evidentiary category, called "half-pieces of evidence".

What on earth is a "half-piece of evidence"? (You do realize, Machiavelli, that those of us who even engage you are being ridiculed for the effort? You are not making us look very good in even having to ask questions like this. Maybe this is your plan!)

Do you just make up this kind of stuff on the spot? You could be an Italian judge!