Continuation Part 13: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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RWVBWL said:
Hi Machiavelli,
I'll see what I can find for ya, ok?
But why don't you wanna see if Raffaele had any cuts on him?

Oh wait a sec,
why should I even bother looking?
Amanda, + [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] were questioned that very same day that Meredith was found.
They Amanda, + [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE], were arrested and strip searched a coupla days later.
Surely the fine local ILE would have released any photographs showing cuts on Amanda's, + [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele's[/SIZE] hands, right?
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But I asked whether there is evidence showing she did not have cuts of her hands. It's a curiosity. The physical examination report also lists a number of lesions. I remember it says she had a lesion on her breast among them.
 
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Gosh,
I kinda dig my new avatar,
heck it reminds me that Rudy luvs cooking sooo much,
he made spaghetti for all the absent lil' kids at the nursery school when he spent the night in their school in Milan...

Hahaha,
freak.
:jaw-dropp


At a nursery school in Milan a week later, director Maria Antonietta Salvadori Del Prato, walked in on a Saturday and found Guede sitting at her desk, she told me in an interview. She called police. They found the stolen laptop and a knife in his pack. Del Prato suspected he might have gotten a key to the nursery school from one of her employees who frequented the Milan club scene. Del Prato told me she believed he spent a night on the children's cots and cooked a pot of pasta in the kitchen, then placed it in little bowls around the room.
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Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/opinion/burleigh-amanda-knox-verdict/
 
Dan O. said:
What we know is that they were in the entry hall hanging on the wall. We don't have good photos of that wall but we can see there is a phone there and something else that might be a note board. This note board may include an open key rack where the keys would be dangling in open sight. Or it could have a door that has to be opened to reveal the keys. Nobody thought to take any photos of that entryway.
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What are your sources for when and where the downstairs keys were found? I am reading some documents/testimony concerning the keys and would like to compare if possible.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The Forensic Science Service listed some of their precautions, as reported by Mark Waterbury: "The FSS LCN test requires an ultra-clean laboratory and so is more expensive and less widely offered than the standard test.... The site of this bespoke laboratory is remote from other DNA Units, operates stringent entry requirements, is fitted with positive air pressure and specialist lighting and chemical treatments to minimize DNA contamination.”

The New Zealand Herald had an article called "making the invisible visible." It read in part: "The bogey is contamination. The very sensitivity of the technique which enables it to extract a DNA profile from the tiniest sample also makes it extremely vulnerable to contamination. Stringent measures are needed to minimise that risk. The ESR has spent $1 million building special anti-contamination areas at its premises in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. Protocols are being developed for crime scenes where the LCN technique is used and for the handling of samples from collection through to courtroom. LCN crime scenes will be divided into cold, warm and hot zones hot being the crime zone. Clothes are put on and discarded at each zone to minimise the risk of contamination." (paragraph separations removed)

How does this new information change your opinion?
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What makes you think this "information" is new?
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The Forensic Science Service listed some of their precautions, as reported by Mark Waterbury: "The FSS LCN test requires an ultra-clean laboratory and so is more expensive and less widely offered than the standard test.... The site of this bespoke laboratory is remote from other DNA Units, operates stringent entry requirements, is fitted with positive air pressure and specialist lighting and chemical treatments to minimize DNA contamination.”

The New Zealand Herald had an article called "making the invisible visible." It read in part: "The bogey is contamination. The very sensitivity of the technique which enables it to extract a DNA profile from the tiniest sample also makes it extremely vulnerable to contamination. Stringent measures are needed to minimise that risk. The ESR has spent $1 million building special anti-contamination areas at its premises in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. Protocols are being developed for crime scenes where the LCN technique is used and for the handling of samples from collection through to courtroom. LCN crime scenes will be divided into cold, warm and hot zones hot being the crime zone. Clothes are put on and discarded at each zone to minimise the risk of contamination." (paragraph separations removed)

How does this new information change your opinion?
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A side note. Your posts are noted for the frequent lack of consistency between the quoted source and the point. The second quote does not define an " LCN lab" any differently from the current labs we are talking about, and the first doesn't do anything but point out the stringent measures in laboratories like the UACV of Scientific Police in Rome or the Ris, which were also described in Stefanoni's testimony, and later also in Biondo's.
Also let's not forget Stefanoni's lab was a member of ENFSI, while Pascali's is not. It is also certified ISO 9001 and 17024.
 
Memory dysfunction

Machiavelli said:
But I asked whether there is evidence showing she did not have cuts of her hands. It's a curiosity. The physical examination report also lists a number if lesions. I remember it says she had a lesion on her breast among them.
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Mach,
This is what you asked, in post #1886
Can you also show us police pictures of Knox's hands and fingers?
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Machiavelli said:
A side note. Your posts are noted for the frequent lack of consistency between the quoted source and the point. The second quote does not define an " LCN lab" any differently from the current labs we are talking about, and the first doesn't do anything but point out the stringent measures in laboratories like the UACV of Scientific Police in Rome or the Ris, which were also described in Stefanoni's testimony, and later also in Biondo's.
Also let's not forget Stefanoni's lab was a member of ENFSI, while Pascali's is not. It is also certified ISO 9001 and 17024.
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Also, Stef's lab is certified to be contaminated. By her own lab records.
 
christianahannah said:
Oh no! You've linked to The Meredith Wiki!;)

Seriously, thank you (you know where I've been reading). Do you know if this is the source for Dan O's information?
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Don't know, but I do know that he has a picture. I'm sure he'll chime in at some point. I believe there are also some leak-based newspaper reports about the found keys.
 
Diocletus said:
Oh, I like it. It's good to be in the driver's seat.

But, how does it work? Is it unconstitutional for Italy to extradite someone to a nation that has the DP? What if there is a state within the nation that doesn't have the DP, but other places do? Could Italy extradite someone to a DP nation, if the person is charged with a non-capital crime?
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If the US want to cancel the treaty, they are welcome. It's not strictly my business. Discussing this on a forum is a waste of time.

Aren't the Italian marines charged with a capital crime in India? Did Italy let India know that it might be illegal for Italy to send the marines back to India if they came back to Italy?
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No, they are currently not charged with any crime.

Anyway they are militaries and they had signed themselves a promise to go back to India. It was a promise based on their agreement. And in fact they did go back, one of them is still in India since the last time he returned.
 
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news travels more slowly in some areas

Machiavelli said:
What makes you think this "information" is new?
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Machiavelli,

It would seem to be new to you, or you would not have made a comment that ignores what everyone else has known about work in the low template regime for many years.
 
Machiavelli said:
If the US want to cancel the treaty, they are welcome. It's not strictly my business. Discussing this on a forum is a waste of time.
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Italy has already unilaterally abrogated the extradition treaty. It has now placed the US in a position where the US can selectively apply the extradition treaty as it sees fit. Certainly, the US is fully-justified in interpreting the extradition treaty to yield to identifiable "human rights"/Bill of Rights values, such as the prohibition against double-jeopardy, coercive interrogation, prosecutorial non-transparency, etc. I would urge it to do so, because the state of the Italian court system is an even greater affront to human rights than the occasional US application of the death penalty.

The US is in the best possible position. It can raise any of these issues and there is no objection that Italy can principally raise, because Italy already went off half-cocked and abrogated the treaty in a way that was totally unnecessary since it could have obtained absolute assurances from the US anyway.

Put another way, it would take balls for Italy to request this extradition, but even if it has those balls, they might get kicked.
 
The foyer

Diocletus said:
Don't know, but I do know that he has a picture. I'm sure he'll chime in at some point. I believe there are also some leak-based newspaper reports about the found keys.
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Gosh,
I seem to recall discussing the keys almost 5 years ago,
while Amanda + [SIZE="-7"]Raffaele[/SIZE] were in prison.
so I did a Google search of ISF, my moniker, and foyer, here's some old info:

RW said:
Reading in Barbie Nadeau's book "Angel Face" on page 13 it says:
"The house was L-shaped, with a covered portico at the front that opened into a tiny foyer where the girls hung keys, parked umbrellas, and kept a bulletin board with messages to each other." Etc...
If so, did Meredith also hang her keys there too?
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Draca said:
Here's a photo of the entry way. I don't see a hook to hang keys. There is no way to know where Meredith put them that night anyway though.

I have heard that a key was needed to lock Meredith's bedroom door.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=164785023545977&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034
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Gosh,
have a look at that pic, there's a phone on the wall!
Too bad that phone on the wall did not work,
heck Rudy mighta been able to "save Meredith" when Amanda + Raffael ran away(*),
leaving poor Rudy alone with a dying girl. I wonder what Rudy did next?


(*) - Right...
:rolleyes:
 
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Machiavelli said:
A side note. Your posts are noted for the frequent lack of consistency between the quoted source and the point. The second quote does not define an " LCN lab" any differently from the current labs we are talking about, and the first doesn't do anything but point out the stringent measures in laboratories like the UACV of Scientific Police in Rome or the Ris, which were also described in Stefanoni's testimony, and later also in Biondo's.
Also let's not forget Stefanoni's lab was a member of ENFSI, while Pascali's is not. It is also certified ISO 9001 and 17024.
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to be strictly accurate it is now but was not at the time
 
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