Athiest's are wrong, God Exists, Science proves it

This was basically the question I asked you. What is the mechanism by which God created things?

Evolution answers the mechanism question. You can disagree, but it gives an answer. I've never seen anything remotely like an answer from Creationists.

The original post did not prove god created everything

It proved that the theory of evolution was unlikely due to the probabilities

You offer no counter point to this

Hence atheists weeping and sending out nasty twitter messages
 
Is there a theorized mechanism for the evolution that has taken place? The answer is simply no.

and mutations happening randomly and then being selected does not appear to happen "randomly" or "homogeneously" they have happened in spikes.

Since changes are happening in spikes they are not random and cannot be explained by a random mechanism.

You're not describing Darwin's On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
 
The original post did not prove god created everything

It proved that the theory of evolution was unlikely due to the probabilities.

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It proved no such thing. No such proof has ever been provided.

The Tablecloth of Turin is also not proof of Almighty Gawd, in case you were about to make that claim.
 
Is there a theorized mechanism for the evolution that has taken place? The answer is simply no.

and mutations happening randomly and then being selected does not appear to happen "randomly" or "homogeneously" they have happened in spikes.

Since changes are happening in spikes they are not random and cannot be explained by a random mechanism.

I really suggest that you learn more about the actual science before you so badly mis-understand and mis-quote these concepts. It is the fixation of the mutations and traits by natural selection, not the mutations themselves, that are thought to differ at different times and in different circumstances to account for punctuated equilibrium. Both punctuated equilibrium and classical theories represent theories of evolution; and proponents of neither suggest that evolution did not happen. By the way, this does not mean that the rate of mutations need always be the same: some forms of mutation probably decreased with the formation of the ozone layer, for example.
 
Is there a theorized mechanism for the evolution that has taken place? The answer is simply no...

Your answer does not comport with known facts.

The mechanisms of evolution are well known. Simplistically, they can be described as the mutation of the genomic sequences through a variety of natural circumstances and occurrences, and then the incorporation of the traits resulting from that mutation when they do not prove to be fatal to the mutated organism. Most evolved characteristics that do not cause death or prevent reproduction are passed down to future generations, most often these non fatal changes offer little or no benefit to the organism, but occasionally they provide a survival benefit which allows the members of a species which has the evolved trait to better survive. Over time these mutations result a population variety of diverse accumulations of mutations from the initial life-form.
 
The "Fine tuning" argument again? Seriously when was the last time Creationists came up with a genuinely new argument?
 
First off, EG3K, you appear to have fallen victim of a very common error made by anti-evolutionists of all stripes. In brief: You may or may not understand evolution; naetheless, it is not as simple as you being able to say, "I doubt evolution, therefore 'god' ".

Even if you were able, somehow, to disprove any major tenet of the actual current TOE, that, in and of itself, has no probative value anent the existence of 'god', your 'god', nor yet any 'gods'.

It is not the case that the alternative to evolution is 'god'; even if it were, you would be left with the problem of which of the multiple thousands of invented 'gods' was, in fact, the 'god' that "science proves" in your OP.

Your best bet might be to start with one or more of the popular books on the subject. Jerry Coyne's Why Evolution Is True would not be a bad one to start with. You could also peruse the Q&A and the archives at TalkOrigins.com; the index of responses to Creationist Claims is particularly useful, and can be read in small doses.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

Where is the evidence for evolution?

All about you, really.
Have you never wondered why you need a different flu vaccination every flu season?
Have you never wondered why living things fall into groups of nested hierarchies, easily identified by shared derived characteristics?

What is the mechanism by which it occurs?

Essentially (and simplistically), populations are polymorphic. Some forms of an organism are more suited for certain conditions than others; and that suitablity confers a differential reproductive success (some organisms are better hat reproducing themselves--more young, stronger young, whatever--and more of the succeeding generations carry the genes of those forms. Eventually, less suitable forms are bred out of the population, and the more suitable forms become normative. Of course, if conditions change, different forms are, or at least may be, more "suitable".

There is much, much more to it than that, but the process is called "natural selection".

Its a very simple question.

No, it is a complex question, with complex answers. The basics are easy to grasp, but we continue to develop and refine our understanding of the specifics. That' science for you.

The empiracle evidence that evolution could happen without an intelligent force is missing

No, not really. Denial of the evidence does not make it go "missing".

(As an aside, did you even consider providing the "empiracle evidence" of which you spoke, and for which I asked?)

The probabilities are staggering

Perhaps you might explain what you think this means. I would appreciate it.
 
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The original post did not prove god created everything

It proved that the theory of evolution was unlikely due to the probabilities

You offer no counter point to this

Hence atheists weeping and sending out nasty twitter messages

You appear to be carelessly using the regular English verb,"proved".

The original post linked to an opinion piece. The TalkOrigins list I mentioned earlier does a very good job of responding to, and explaining the problems with, that kind of careless claim about "probabilities".

Does the fact that NdGT's humorous post (many statements of which are, in fact, demonstrably true) hurt your feelings so badly give you, in your mind, leave to act rudely, here? Have you taken up your issue with NdGT, himself?
 
Where is the evidence for evolution?
Everywhere around you.

What is the mechanism by which it occurs?

Imperfect reproduction followed by natural selection.

Its a very simple question.

The empiracle evidence that evolution could happen without an intelligent force is missing.

The probabilities are staggering

No. The fact that you don't understand these probabilities doesn't make them unintelligible or staggering.

Nice try, though.
 
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nd if I digress for a moment - I don't actually know of any "religious" people who do not believe in a supernatural creator. If people do claim to be "religious", and yet say they do not believe in a supernatural creator god/God, then they mean something very different by the word "religious" and the word "god/God".).

Jainism. According to Jain doctrine, the universe and its constituents which include matter, space and time, have always existed. The Gods are not viewed as creators, but as caretakers of the universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism_and_non-creationism
 
Hehhe.. a creationist is as a creationist posts. ELF thinks he's being original.

I've never known trolling to use "original" tactics, in general, steadfast and long-proven "baits" are the most successful and most oft employed.
 
The original post did not prove god created everything

It proved that the theory of evolution was unlikely due to the probabilities

You offer no counter point to this

Hence atheists weeping and sending out nasty twitter messages

The original post linked to an article behind a paywall.

So let me ask you this. If not evolution (and abiogenesis, and the big bang, etc.), and not God, then how did everything come about? What's your theory?
 
I haven't read the thread in detail, but has NO ONE pointed out that EG3K is so knowledgeable about atheists that he/she can't even spell it? (Yes, I notice that they got it correct later.) Otherwise, just one question:

EG3K, do you think the Earth is the center of the universe, like Bobby Sungenis?
 
Where is the evidence for evolution?

What is the mechanism by which it occurs?

Its a very simple question.

The empiracle evidence that evolution could happen without an intelligent force is missing

The probabilities are staggering

Yeah, you're really going to need to show your work on this.
 
Where is the evidence for evolution?

What is the mechanism by which it occurs?

Its a very simple question.

The empiracle evidence that evolution could happen without an intelligent force is missing

The probabilities are staggering

What, like a tornado sweeping through a junkyard assembling a Boeing 747?
 
The original post linked to an article behind a paywall.

So let me ask you this. If not evolution (and abiogenesis, and the big bang, etc.), and not God, then how did everything come about? What's your theory?

Your argument is not science

Science requires a theory that can be tested

and you don't even have a theory

The article, viewable below demonstrates the probability of life forming and it is astronomically low.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-metaxas-science-increasingly-makes-the-case-for-god-1419544568
 
The straight forward question is this...

What is the probability that life randomly formed? According to the science in the article it is about 0.0000000000000001%.

and if evolution has not occured randomly, the question is

why do people believe that life was formed randomly. The empiracle evidence says it is not.

I think I can hear atheists quietly clenching their fists in anger.

This is a good question. Why do I think random exists at all?

It could be that my entire life - all my decisions and everything that happens around me - is all scripted by a supernatural entity. It could be that everything is controlled, and designed to be just as it is.

Maybe I'm being tricked, and the illusion of chance is too well done for me to see through it. Maybe. Or maybe not - how will I decide?
 
Where is your proof? You have none

please at least provide a link

Wait.

Link to...what? We did the Tablecoth of Turin in two interminable threads. I can provide some links, if that is what you're asking for.

If not, please clarify.

Also, one way to encourage others to provide links is, of course, for you to do it, yourself. DO try to avoid pay-wall-protected stuff, and YoobToob...
 
This is a good question. Why do I think random exists at all?

It could be that my entire life - all my decisions and everything that happens around me - is all scripted by a supernatural entity. It could be that everything is controlled, and designed to be just as it is.

Maybe I'm being tricked, and the illusion of chance is too well done for me to see through it. Maybe. Or maybe not - how will I decide?

Random does not exist when an experiment leads to a result that would be otherwise unlikely.

Example....

We have a vat filled with 100 balls numbered 1 to 100

I guess the number to the ball and then pick, surprise I am correct

I proceed to do this 100 times, the probability of this occuring is 1/100^100

Based on this experiment you conclude that I am not guessing when I predict the number of the ball. Because it is very unlikely

Likewise any experiment performed happens and it is possible to conclude

#1 the result of the experiment was mere chance or ...

#2 the result was because my hypothesis was correct

That is the basis for any science - a large accumulation of evidence that makes the hypothesis exeedingly likely
 
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