Speculation. We don't know the likelihood. For a habitable planet, the odds of abiogenesis are anywhere from extremely likely to extremely unlikely.
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Speculation. We don't know the likelihood. For a habitable planet, the odds of abiogenesis are anywhere from extremely likely to extremely unlikely.
Isn't there also a theological debate that if intelligent life exists on other planets, did a Christ also have to appear to them to save their souls? If so, did Chris do it as a simulcast with his time on Earth, or travel sequentially to each planet? Did Christ look like the prevailing creatures on each planet, and if so, can you crucify an octopus-like creature? Or perhaps this other intelligent life never needed to be saved in the first place (immortal and not guilty of original sin for example).
Evolution is viewed as different from abiogenesis. They involve very different aspects of biology and of chemistry.
And neither is random. For example, mutations in DNA may be "random" in many ways, but which mutations are "chosen" by natural selection, and therefore drive evolution, is not random at all. Thus evolution is not random.
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More importantly (to some), if such evidence did exist, it would remove the ability to reasonably deny God's existence and thus thwart the ability of His creations to freely choose to believe (or not to believe) solely of their own free will.
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Is there a theorized mechanism for the evolution that has taken place? The answer is simply no.
and mutations happening randomly and then being selected does not appear to happen "randomly" or "homogeneously" they have happened in spikes.
Since changes are happening in spikes they are not random and cannot be explained by a random mechanism.
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You'd better look up the definition of random. Randomness doesn't imply evenness - the existence of peaks and troughs is the very epitome of randomness.
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Perhaps a better question, at least as a starting point, might be:
"Who, in you opinion, claims that "life randomly formed"?
-Is this a straw person of your own devising?
...you appear to have misspelled "since"...
Again, who, in your opinion, claims that "life was formed randomly"?
Who are the "people" to whom you refer?
Where have they made their claims?
Links would be nice...
Might you be so kind as to delineate what "empiracle evidence" it is to which you refer?
Again, links to sources would be nice...
Perhaps a hearing check is, in fact, in order.
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Slowvehicle
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I don't even have to go that far; my garden, right now, would be deadly within hours to a human without some technological aid, and the sun has not yet gone down.
August a'n't much better...
Slowvehicle
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This is simply incorrect. Time to do some reading, or take a basic biology class. My 11th-graders will be addressing this about two weeks after they get back from the hols. Care to sit in?
It would be very helpful if you would explain what you think this means.
Again, links to your sources would be nice,
You appear to be misusing many simple English words. Perhaps you would elucidate.
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ElfGrinder should take a leaf from evolutionary creationists. Reconcile your faith with science while not making a complete fool out of yourself
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ical_christianity.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ical_christianity.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
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Where on Earth did you get this idea?
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It's pretty common among creationists to think that evolution is about "random mutations" and not natural selection - I'd imagine it's been taken from something like Answers In Genesis.
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Why do you leave out the natural selection part?
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Desperately doubting?
Yeah, I was thinking of the randomness of mutations and the randomness of amino acids combining in the right way to form self-replicating molecules.
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Where is the evidence for evolution?
What is the mechanism by which it occurs?
Its a very simple question.
The empiracle evidence that evolution could happen without an intelligent force is missing
The probabilities are staggering
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Gawdzilla Sama
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It's very simple, you don't understand the question.
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But that's what makes us so special. God made this enormous universe and it's only little ole earth that he blessed with humans.
Obviously, God is a lazy bum sitting around all day eating Cheetos and collecting the Holy Welfare, paid for by the taxes of other hard working Dieties.
Until you know the probabilities, you can't use them in support of intelligent design.
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This was basically the question I asked you. What is the mechanism by which God created things?
Evolution answers the mechanism question. You can disagree, but it gives an answer. I've never seen anything remotely like an answer from Creationists.