The Electric Comet theory

[tusenfem]

Are you able to expand on some of the points raised in this short presentation? Namely negatively charged dust grains and the sputtering of the comets surface by the solar wind, in relation to the paper by Andrew Coates and how this may effect cometary jets?

Dust lifted off the comet, into the mixed solar wind and comet-produced plasma, tends to become negatively charged, because electrons colliding with the dust often stick to the dust. This is a well known phenomenon of dusty plasmas. (if the grains get bigger, though, the dust can also be positively charged, making things even more complicated).

High-energy particles impacting on any solar system surface produce "sputtering" in which the particle hits the surface and breaks off molecules off the surface (at Europa for example water, sulphur, chlorine etc.). These molecules are mostly neutral, but get ionized by UV radiation of the Sun and then picked-up by the solar wind magnetic field.

Dust charge and sputtering have, IMHO, little to do with cometary jets. There is no discussion of jets in Andrew's paper, nor in the presentation. The only thing is that jets deposit more dust from the surface of the comet.

 

[Belz...]

The kicker is that such charge separation will increase mass (though only to a trivial extent), not decrease it.

You bad, bad man, breaking my beautiful dream.

 

[tusenfem]

Now we can really start talking about the difference in models, mainstream and the ELECTRIC COMET.

Let's begin again, finigan.

Where would you like to start Reality Check?

Shall we talk about the surprises of the mainstream interpretation of what comets are?

I doubt it, as there IS not electric model.
If first you can tell us how the results fit into the EC fantasy, then we might have a discussion.
But I doubt you will present anything.

If there would be no surprises, it would not be science, dear sol, do you actually understand that? If all is set into concrete (like "everything is electric") then why bother sending out missions into space for billions of euros?
But then, the EC fantasy could not care less about observations of models or anything concrete, as up to now, after a whole 28 (TWENTY EIGHT!) years no thunderdolt has even looked at the Giotto or Vega 1/2 data to actually show that there is EDM taking place and electric discharges are ubiquitous.

"on its five year mission to new worlds, new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before"

 

[Haig]

Given that ELECTRIC COMETS require an ELECTRIC SUN

"Special Insights?" What, are we dowsing now? Science is reproducible results. If your "special insight"'and my "special insight" produce different results that isn't science.

To be fair, the quote did say "Science does not begin with [emphasis added]", and the generation of hypothesis might involve "special insight". Of course, most of the non-EC people here (including me) think that once you have a hypothesis you can test it with math, or at least use math to generate upper and lower bounds. But some of the pro-EC people here are (AFAIR) saying that between the stages of "hypothesis" and "theory" is the stage "model", where a hypothesis need not have any math and a model is hypothesis + math (or something like that).

I this case I understand "special insights" to cover the topics later in his post, where they make up stories ("z pinch") about petroglyphs.

Gezz guys if you rush into the MATH with all kinds of wrong assumptions you could end up in the mess mainstream cosmology is in ... believing in the "dark arts" of black holes, dark matter, dark energy and big bang creationism. We don't want that ... do we ?

It's ALL about Evidence (then the maths)

'SAFIRE: Understanding the Electric Sun Models

Dr. Michael Clarage: Understanding the Electric Sun Model | EU2014
SAFIRE is an experiment to explore possible electrical attributes of the Sun. The project will first consider the model of the Electric Sun (ES), as put forward by Wal Thornhill, Don Scott, and Ralph Juergens. The ES model suggests: 1) That all stars, the Sun included, are electrical in nature and exist in a galactic electrical environment; 2) Some of the physical attributes of the Sun and its Corona are not explicable through the standard fusion model originated by Hans Bethe in 1938; and 3) Many of these anomalous Solar attributes can be explained by assuming the Sun is at different electrical potential than its surroundings.

The basic approach is to create an environment as similar as possible to the conditions of the Sun and to assumed conditions of the ES model. Known anomalous characteristics of the Sun and Corona can then be correlated with measurements from SAFIRE. It is also possible that the project could dispel some long-held assumptions of mainstream Solar Physics, such as “Electric fields do not exist in Coronal plasmas,” or “Magnetic fields can exist in the vacuum of space without corresponding electric fields.”

Dr. Clarage received his PhD in physics in 1992 from Brandeis University, studying the biological and statistical behavior of proteins. Prior to that, he spent several years studying binary pulsars at the Arecibo radio telescope. With his brother, he gave traveling lectures about their discoveries in the areas of fractional calculus, fractals, and chaotic systems. Over the past 15 years, he has presented public lectures on such topics as Relativity and Dimensions, Metaphysics in Biology, Transformation in Supernova and Metamorphosis in Biology. Dr. Clarage is currently a lead scientist with the SAFIRE Project.'

The SAFIRE Project and JMP®: What Makes Our Sun Shine?

Why does the surface of the sun operate in the 3,000-4,000 K range, while the solar corona exhibits temperatures in the millions of degrees? How do the known current sheets attach our Earth to the sun? And why are they there? We use JMP software for our study. Read the paper by Paul E. Anderson, Montgomery Childs, and Michael Clarage given at 2014 JMP Discovery Summit

It's progress

Yeah, my favorite from Secrets of an Alien Sky was how two dots on either side of a petroglyph stick figure represent "synchrotron radiation".

ferd

I also like how they have to cherry-pick both the stick figures of a certain form and the one weird plasma-chamber photo, with the right cropping and the right angle, that has any of those features. The "dots" in their plasma photo is not "synchrotron radiation", it's just ionization/fluorescence from another plasma in this particular chamber, which must be of fairly high pressure.

I just clicked through a hilarious Anthony Peratt paper (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=4287072) where he and someone who appears to be his son hike around the southwest, noting the locations of and sky-views from different rock-art sites.

Hilariously stupid #1: I think he's trying to correlate the view from the site with the appearance of a plasma-simulation from that angle. Like how you can match up a Thomas Cole painting with a Hudson River scenic view and figure out exactly where he was sitting? Dude, I don't think that rock art was typically done like a plein-air session, facing the thing you're painting, unless you think there were major buffalo hunts inside the caves at Lascaux.

Hilariously stupid #2: Half of the paper consists of these obviously-laboriously-assembled map overlays. There must be a thousand geotagged rock-art sites in there. Sounds like we're ready to do some data analysis, right? Wrong. The coordinates are used to put flags on a map---that's it. A few are selected as looks-like-a-bunny examples. Nothing whatsoever is correlated, regressed, tallied, cross-checked, averaged, or processed in any way.

Hilariously stupid #3: Peratt shows a kitchen-sink worth of random plasma phenomenon pictures. Pinches! Aurorae! Filament-forming currents! Many of which include, y'know, lines. Parallel lines, sometimes. OMG LOOK HERE ARE PARALLEL LINES ON A ROCK. Radiating lines, at other times. OMG HERE'S ROCK ART WITH RADIATING LINES. Twisty lines. AND SOME ROCK ART HAS TWISTY LINES.

Hilariously stupid #4: In one case a totally-recognizable human figures (with, like, eyes, noses, five-fingered hands) are ignored and relabeled as a view through a z-pinch. This particular figure appears to date from ~500 years ago, a time when I'm pretty sure there were not sky-filling plasma lines with eyes and fingers.

But what if you're wrong, ben? What if, right now, there's a giant plasma monster watching you with its plasma eyes, waiting to reach down and grab you with its plasma finger?

My god, ben, don't you see the danger we're all in? We need to take the threat of sky-filling plasma giants seriously, before it's too late!

(Don Lafontaine voice)

In a world where the skies were quiet for 500 years ...

(slow pan across rock art)

But we had ignored the warnings ...

(Naomi Watts squints into a telescope)

... of what we'd see ...

(Nicolas Cage's eyes widen)

... when Maxwell's Equations took on a life of their own.

(CGI plasma monsters stomp across cities)

This summer, don't look twice, you may suffer from

(Naomi Watts is sucked into a plasma chamber. Nic Cage manically carves lines in a rock. A PDP-11 display slowly renders a picture of a stick figure.)

PAREIDOLIA: ELECTRIC SKY

OH DEAR you guys try to ridicule the work of Anthony L. Peratt

Just look in HERE to Journals "Peer reviewed articles, online in full" to get some idea of the calibre of Peratt who was a student of Hannes Alfven




"Anthony Peratt is was one of the leading high energy Plasma Discharge research scientists in the world. He recognised that the rock art (petroglyphs, pictograms and geoglyphs) were the same as the results he was seeing. He then carried out an extensive field study of cave drawings and rock art around the world. His conclusions are that these petroglyphs are a recording of a high energy Plasma Discharge event seen in the Earths atmosphere and witnessed by the ancient civilisations. You can read a free copy of his report "Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High Current ZPinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity" online. It has many photographs from on site locations and is a very detailed study.

If Peratt says that this happened then it is very likely to be true. If you search for the Squatter Man (Squatting Man) and Tree of Life images from around the world you will see that everyone had seen it. Also the fact that the "crazy" associated images were carved into rock.

Rock art went from being colourful paintings of the world around them to suddenly white surreal images chipped and painted white or red lines and outlines. This seems to have occured, again, on a global event.

Marinus Anthony van der Sluijs has also investigated the Squatter Man images and many of the other visual geometric patterns. Both van der Sluijs and Peratt have found that most of the rocks used for the petroglyphs have certain characteristics, facing similar directions with mountain or hill ranges "shielding" those who were creating the rock art.

If the stick man Squatter Man were a Plasma Discharge seen in the heavens then it would release Synchrotron Radiation, that depending on the stage of the instability could be harmful or lethal to those exposed to it in the open."


So these rock art images of high energy Plasma Discharge events that were depicted NOT in just the ten places named in the image above but The Squatter Man is recorded around the globe - the United Arab Emirates, Northern Europe, Australia.... and even in Malta. Everyone on earth witnessed the same awe inspiring episode. So amazing that they had to record it for the people who either came after they survived whatever the gods were doing or for the future people who would never see it. Us.


How about some of you MATH "believers" do a calculation on the probability of ALL these sources being WRONG !!!

Now it's NOT just The Squatter Man image that inspired the ancients. remember ALL art / culture / myths / religion were DRIVEN by Plasma Discharge seen in the heavens and the symbols of this are STILL with us today.

Symbols of an Alien Sky | Clip #3

These segments take up the mythic wheel of heaven, offering several "snapshots" of spectacular planetary forms in the ancient sky, together with corresponding images recorded around the world.

We know that ALL religions STARTED as PLANET worship (including ancient Egypt, who worshipped Saturn) and the rituals symbols and effects are STILL with us now as images of power, royalty, worship ...

CAN YOU PICK OUT THE IMAGES OF PLANETS AND PLASMA EVENTS HERE ??? ... I'm thinking mythical creatures, plasma images, stars, planets etc ... NOT eating places and pubs

Few people today could pick out the planets in the night sky: Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, Mars ... BUT the ancients knew and feared them ask yourself WHY?

Venus, (an ancient Electric Comet) has a plasma sheath whose tail almost touches Earth's plasma sheath.

Science : Planet's tail of the unexpected and Venus' Tail of the Unexpected


Just imagine the electromagnetic event that would happen if those two charged planets sheaths came in contact ... like tiny ELECTRIC COMET Siding Spring and Mars just did

The Balloon goes up over lightning!

The Electric Universe model suggests that the Earth plays a cathode role in the Sun’s discharge and therefore is in the business of supplying negative electrons to space and receiving positive ions from the solar wind. It is interesting therefore that the presence of solar wind ions inside the earth’s magnetosphere has puzzled scientists. Thunderstorms are not electricity generators, they are passive elements in an interplanetary circuit, like a self-repairing leaky condenser. The energy stored in the cloud “condenser” is released as lightning when it short-circuits. The short-circuits can occur either within the cloud or across the external resistive paths to Earth or the ionosphere. The charge across the cloud “condenser” gives rise to violent vertical electrical winds within the cloud, not vice versa. By creating a short-circuit to high altitudes in the storm the lightning effectively “throws the switch” connected to the glow discharge “tube” in the upper atmosphere. It then makes perfect sense that the much taller positive cloud-to-ground discharge will be more effective at providing power to the glow discharge than will low-level negative cloud-to-ground lightning because the circuit resistance is lower. Ultimately, lightning on Earth is driven by electric power focused on the Sun but minutely intercepted by the Earth. So lightning on Earth is a pale imitation of what is happening on the Sun.

It is not surprising, therefore, that it took a man who was an electrical researcher, astronomer, and expert on the effects of lightning, Dr. Charles E. R. Bruce of the Electrical Research Association in England, to recognize the fact. That was in 1941! Such is the inertia of science.

I'm just feeling the free electrons moving to my surface, and reducing my mass.

Such a bright spark

Well, Velikovsky said that the humans who witnessed the planetary billiards were so traumatized by it that they repressed all memories of it, only for the repressed memories to surface in their mythologies. So maybe the same thing happened here, and the truth of it will be revealed when some intrepid EU scientist does a cross-cultural comparison of 15th century art.

Ah! you get upset about the ideas of Immanuel Velikovsky ? Well that IS what he said would happen !

One of the books he wrote was a collection of the science of his day showing that global catastrophe happened in the "age of man" and big ELECTRIC COMETS were the cause.

So the science is NOT his he simply points to it and you have NO answer just turn a blind eye, how about some of you MATH "believers" do a calculation on the probability of ALL these sources being WRONG !!!

Earth in Upheaval (1956) is Velikovsky's third book, which he describes as:

"... a book about the great tribulations to which the planet on which we travel was subjected in pre-historical and historical times. The pages of this book are transcripts of the testimony of mute witnesses, the rocks, in the court of celestial traffic. They testify by their own appearance and by the encased contents of dead bodies, fossilized skeletons. Myriads upon myriads of living creatures came to life on this ball of rock suspended in nothing and returned to dust. Many died a natural death, many were killed in wars between races and species, and many were entombed alive during great paroxysms of nature in which land and sea contested in destruction. Whole tribes of fish that had filled the oceans suddenly ceased to exist; of entire species and even genera of land animals not a single survivor was left. [..]"

"I had intended, after piecing together the history of these earlier global upheavals, to present geological and paleontological material to support the testimony of man. But the reception of Worlds in Collision by certain scientific groups persuaded me, before reviving the pageant of earlier catastrophes, to present at least some of the evidence of the rocks, which is as insistent as that carried down to our times by written records and by word of mouth.[..]"

"I present here some pages from the book of nature. I have excluded from them all references to ancient literature, traditions, and folklore; and this I have done with intent, so that careless critics cannot decry the entire work as "tales and legends." Stones and bones are the only witnesss."[1]

Velikovsky-Earth-in-Upheaval PDF

 

[JeanTate]

Good morning, Sol88.

Sorry Jean Tate, hard day at work...not much ice here today @43c so fairly knackered

Tomorrow ok?

Sure.

But 'tomorrow' was yesterday already, and the day before yesterday by the time you read this (no doubt).

Anyway, here's my post again, for when you return:

Good morning, Sol88.

<stuff not on the ech snipped>

but as stated in the ECH jets are an electrical discharge phenomena

Thanks for this.

A bit briefer than I was hoping for ...

Let me ask you about jets, electrical discharge phenomena, and the ECH, OK?

1) How do you get from:
* there is an electric field centered approximately on the Sun AND
* comets are homogeneous 'rock'
to:
* the observed comet jets are an electrical discharge phenomena?

Would you please walk me through the logical steps from premises to conclusion?

2) What primary source, or sources, can you cite, re "in the ECH jets are an electrical discharge phenomena"?

3) Per the ECH, what are the two (or more) 'ends' of the electrical discharge(s) that are comet jets? Or, what acts as electrodes?

I think that will do for now; I look forward to continuing to discuss comet jets in the ECH.

 

[JeanTate]

Good morning, Haig.

Given that ELECTRIC COMETS require an ELECTRIC SUN

<rest of lengthy post snipped>

Indeed.

And the explicit topic of this thread is ELECTRIC COMETS.

So how about we - or at least you and I - return to discussing it, eh?

Over the past week, I have responded to several of your posts, on the electric comet hypothesis (ech), asking you some quite specific questions about what you posted (and presumably understand). Yet I've seen nothing from on you; why?

To remind you, here are three:

Good morning Haig.

<snip>

Seems clear that Scott Wall does not give an answer either, apart from "mainstream has it wrong".

Please feel free to show an actual analyses (not boobtube, just in print) and explanation of what exactly happend according to the EC fantasy.

He did and they did

Thornhill suggested that:

"Outbursts from comets at great distances from the Sun seem to be correlated with a sudden change in the solar 'wind' plasma environment due to a solar storm. The point about sudden comet outbursts is that we are dealing with a sudden, discontinuous process of plasma discharge - a switch from dark current mode to normal glow mode. It is a complex surface phenomenon that cannot be predicted. The best we can do is to say that the passage of a sudden change in the solar wind is the most likely time to see a flareup."

The sun had been electrically active in the days before the "explosion". Upon investigation of data from the ACE satellite, see this movie or this graph, Michael Mozina noticed that there was a large spike in the density of the solar wind on October 22 at 19:45, two days before the infamous flareup. This spike likely switched the comet into normal glow mode and allowed it to grow. Once in normal glow mode, the plasma coma does not require a sustained voltage to maintain that mode.

Since you posted it, and since you seem to consider this to be an actual answer to tusenfem's question, I'm sure that you'll have no difficulty answering questions about it, right?

Outbursts from comets at great distances from the Sun seem to be correlated with a sudden change in the solar 'wind' plasma environment due to a solar storm: Where is this correlation published? What 'outbursts' in what 'comets at great distances'? what 'sudden changes'? What is the correlation coefficient?

"a switch from dark current mode to normal glow mode": for a plasma of the estimated density, temperature, and composition of the solar wind (at the appropriate distances, at the appropriate times), what range of values for the current is consistent with such a "switch"?

"there was a large spike in the density of the solar wind on October 22 at 19:45": how large a "spike"? how often do such "spikes" occur? What is the estimated time at which this "spike" would have impacted the comet?

This next one is more a general question about sources; it also has very direct relevance to what you post on the ech.

Good morning, Haig.

Just as an afterthought Tom.

What do you think of this ... ??? (but ignoring the black hole nonsense)

Extragalactic circuits, transmission lines, and CR particle acceleration

Do you know how to find the references in a paper (or a preprint, in this case)?

Having the references in hand, do you know how to find those references (mostly papers)?

Given that papers are primary sources in this branch of science, don't you think such simple skills as being able to find references is important?

Based on your posting history, I would guess that you have close to zero idea of how many papers like that arXiv preprint have been published, stretching back to before your heroes were even born. Would you say it is fair to characterize your apparent extreme lack of knowledge of primary sources as ignorance?

Last one, for now:

Good morning Haig.

So as we wait for the latest drip feed of information on Electric Comet 67P from ESA Rosetta Team

David Talbott made these predictions ...

... But hold on. Now we see a claimed "announcement" of water on the surface. Therefore, before I have a chance to change my own prediction of NO WATER ICE ON THE SURFACE (beyond a trivial frost as on Tempel 1), here are my predictions as they stood just a couple of hours ago. Expect some modest changes, but no wholesale retractions based on new info.

• likelihood of a hot and dry surface ("hot," as in the familiar lexicon of comet science)
• no layers's of ice exposed beneath the surface, despite the requirements of standard theory
• no ice at the source of jets, not even where the most energetic jets are active
• electric discharge as the essential contributor to the comet's increasing activity
• abundance of unexplained rocky debris on the surface, as seen on asteroids, including sharp edged boulders exhibiting no ices.
• visible electrical erosion of the surface in the fashion of electrical etching of surface materials and electric discharge machining (edm)
• surface electrochemically transformed and burned black by this discharge activity, as in laboratory experiments
• focused glow discharge enigmatically moving across the surface during the course of the Rosetta observations
• useful comparisons of this activity to the moving electrified plumes of Jupiter's moon Io and Saturn's moon Enceladus
• electric fields configuring and reconfiguring layers of dust on the surface, despite the absence of an atmosphere
• removal of “astonishing,” complex crystalline molecules from the surface, with comparisons to materials on planets and moons, likely including Mars or Earth, or both.
• no appreciable “stardust,” the long-presumed primeval matter of comets
• no support for the long-presumed "compositional zoning" in textbook solar system history and comet theory
• useful comparison of dust configurations on the surface to formations seen in laboratory experiments with electric fields acting on layers of dust
• x-ray and ultraviolet emissions exceeding any scientific predictions just 20 years ago
• evidence for electrochemical production of hydroxyl and/or water by electrical action on surface silicates and clays
• evidence for production of water and/or hydroxyl by electrical activity in the coma
• unexpected negative ions close to the nucleus
• improbable hydrogen cloud gathered and held in place at the outer regions of the coma
• additional electrochemical transactions in the coma adding to diverse chemistry, ranging from CO2 to methane, alcohol, cyanide, and more
• relationship of comet flaring to arrival of charged particles from solar outbursts

Add the POSSIBILITY of a break-up of the nucleus in response to a solar outburst, though that’s not something I'd hang a hat on.

David Talbott

Yes, he did.

Unfortunately, you omitted the reference. He made those predictions in a post in this thread, #2441

You also omitted to mention that he has failed - so far - to respond to questions about many of these; specifically, he has failed to show how he derived them from the ech (I asked him here; others also asked him about the predictions and he has failed - so far - to respond to them either).

But since you have posted them, perhaps you can answer some questions about them, right?

Here are just three to get you started:

* how can you derive "likelihood of a hot surface" from the ech, Haig?

* how does "visible electrical erosion of the surface in the fashion of electrical etching of surface materials and electric discharge machining (edm)" follow from the ech, Haig?

* Haig, using the ech, can you please derive this: "improbable hydrogen cloud gathered and held in place at the outer regions of the coma"?

I'm looking forward to having a meaningful discussion with you, on the ech.

 

[LSSBB]

Wiki gives a quick description and this paper gives it a little more meat
Interaction of Titan's ionosphere with Saturn's magnetosphere



or from the source

my bold

How is it not consistent with standard theory that there is an event of UV light and spark discharge creating tholins?

 

[Haig]

I doubt it, as there IS not electric model.
If first you can tell us how the results fit into the EC fantasy, then we might have a discussion.
But I doubt you will present anything.

If there would be no surprises, it would not be science, dear sol, do you actually understand that? If all is set into concrete (like "everything is electric") then why bother sending out missions into space for billions of euros?
But then, the EC fantasy could not care less about observations of models or anything concrete, as up to now, after a whole 28 (TWENTY EIGHT!) years no thunderdolt has even looked at the Giotto or Vega 1/2 data to actually show that there is EDM taking place and electric discharges are ubiquitous.

"on its five year mission to new worlds, new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before"

Well tusenfem, you say that but ...

The P33F-06. Rosetta 2014 II, Presented By Jean-Pierre Lebreton on First Results at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko With the Rosetta Plasma Consortium seemed to me (and I admit I may be biased ) to be a pseudo mainstream version of the genuine electric comet hypothesis.

They didn't mention sublimating ices at ALL on comet 67P not even once !

The paper they referenced is a magnetic version of the true Electric Comet

Ionospheres and magnetospheres of comets Coates, AJ; (1997)

Abstract
As a comet's orbit takes it near to the Sun, neutral gas and dust are driven away from the nucleus. The gas ionizes due to photoionization and charge exchange. A dense 'ionosphere' forms near to the comet, bounded by a contact surface. New, 'pickup' ions are produced on a much larger distance scale of similar to 10(6) km; forming an enormous region over which the comet-solar wind interaction occurs. The new ions form an unstable population in the flowing solar wind. The solar wind is slowed, forming a bow shock and several other features including the cometary plasma tail. The solar wind interaction is quite different to that of a magnetized planet, where a magnetopause forms a blunt obstacle in the supersonic solar wind flow. In this paper we review our knowledge of the plasma environment of comets, particularly in the light of spacecraft data from the three comets visited so far. (C) 1997 COSPAR. Published by Elsevier Science Ltd.

So comet 67P , according to their results, is a magnetised, charged body with a plasma sheath, singing at 40 - 50 megahertz to the tune of the Electric Sun solar wind and in accord with the Coates 1997 paper

Brilliant !!!

 

[tusenfem]

Keep on dreaming haig.

Just looking at Jean-Pierre's talk is just a wee part of the Rosetta mission. There is no need for him to talk about sublimating ice, becasue that is implicit. Also, it is an overview talk, the complete science was at the posters that he mentioned through the whole talk.

Naturally, EC will claim anything that mentiones something plasmassy, so they don't have to figure out anything for themselves.

Andrew's paper is a plasma physics paper, based on our knowledge how plasmas behave, it has nothing to do with the EC fantasy, but you would not understand that because you have a total of 0 (zero) knowledge of physics. Did you read and understand the whole paper that Andrew wrote?

I have no idea where you came up with the notion that "comet 67P , according to their results, is a magnetised". It is NOT magnetized, it is building up an induced magnetosphere. The Philae magnetometer is pretty clear there is no remnant magnetization, as far as I know. Yes, it may be slightly charged (no surprise there) but not discharging with anything, and it cannot "sing" to the "tune of the electric sun" because there is no electric sun. But yes, the data are in agreement with the mainstream model by Andres Coates, as expecte.

And apparently haig has come up with yet another fantasy, the so-called "magnetic version of the electric comet (fantasy).

 

[Matthew Cline]

Gezz guys if you rush into the MATH with all kinds of wrong assumptions you could end up in the mess mainstream cosmology is in ... believing in the "dark arts" of black holes, dark matter, dark energy and big bang creationism.

AFAIK, black holes aren't a requirement or consequence of mainstream cosmology, though they are listed as one of the possible sources of non-visible mass. The only time that mainstream astronomy insists on black holes is when too much mass is confined in too small a volume of space, like with Sagittarius_A*.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Delete

 

[ben m]

If Peratt says that this happened then it is very likely to be true.

That's an impeccable scientific method you've got there Haig.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The first geologist on the moon is a climate change denier - just being a scientist is no guarantee of accuracy. Peratt may be a fine plasma physicist but going full Von Daniken on petroglyphs takes him rather far into one or more academic specialties other than the one he studied.

 

[Haig]

That's an impeccable scientific method you've got there Haig.

Unfortunately yours isn't. Those words aren't mine.

If you look carefully again you will see that sentence came from a piece in quotation marks.

Ì can understand his point though ☺

 

[rwguinn]

Unfortunately yours isn't. Those words aren't mine.

If you look carefully again you will see that sentence came from a piece in quotation marks. Ì can understand his point though ☺

erm...
No.

 

[Haig]

erm...
No.

erm.... Yes

If you look at the forth paragraph below that sentence. The one with the Squatter Man link in it. That's where the piece and that sentence came from.

No need to apologise

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

erm.... Yes

If you look at the forth paragraph below that sentence. The one with the Squatter Man link in it. That's where the piece and that sentence came from.

No need to apologise

Personally, I find your posts nearly impenetrable walls of copypasta and nested quotes. Perhaps limiting the amount of quoted material to just the most relevant portions would improve clarity for others.

 

[Haig]

Personally, I find your posts nearly impenetrable walls of copypasta and nested quotes. Perhaps limiting the amount of quoted material to just the most relevant portions would improve clarity for others.

Yes, looking back at it and other similar posts of mine I can see your point.

Can't say for sure I can improve that much, because of limited time, I'm always gonna be a copy 'n paste numpty but I will try.

 

[ben m]

Unfortunately yours isn't. Those words aren't mine.

If you look carefully again you will see that sentence came from a piece in quotation marks.

I see. I'll modify my response:

"That's an impeccable scientific method your sources have there Haig"

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

From upthread:

So the science is NOT his he simply points to it and you have NO answer just turn a blind eye, how about some of you MATH "believers" do a calculation on the probability of ALL these sources being WRONG !!!

About the same "probability" as a cloud looking like a bunny to someone interested in bunnies. But to someone interested in elephants that same cloud looks nothing like a bunny. And to an actual scientist studying clouds it looks like a cumulonimbus at some number of millibars and a pilot sees an obstacle to route around.

Pointing out how some but not all petroglyphs look kinda sorta like some but not all plasma discharge phenomena is the least academically rigorous approach to the question (whatever the question is). A plasma physicist working independent of any anthropology or archaeology on an archaeology data set. is not a valid approach.