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Continuation Part 11: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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The only "special" thing about it is that it records to two cassettes simultaneously - for reasons previously explained.


If it's so cheap and easy... technology that has been around since the 1950s... why has audio recording not been mandated in interrogations in the states until recently (and still not in the majority of States)?

Did Cuomo ever get the money for equipment?

Why was the Chief of Police of NYC saying:

"Precinct interview rooms require soundproofing. Camera angles and acoustics have to be tested to ensure the recordings capture statements no matter how quietly spoken.

“It’s not the flip of a switch,” Mr. McCarthy said. “You are building a recording studio in dozens of unique spaces across the city.”""





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If it's so cheap and easy... technology that has been around since the 1950s... why has audio recording not been mandated in interrogations in the states until recently (and still not in the majority of States)?


Perhaps because people (and legislators) have a worrying tendency to believe that the police always play fair and tell the whole truth?

Here in the UK, it took a series of very high-profile incidents of egregious police misconduct in the 1970s and 1980s to illustrate to lawmakers and senior members of the judiciary (many of whom had previously been extremely reticent to believe the police could behave in this way) that strict laws were needed to protect the civil rights of suspects. And thus was the Police and Criminal Evidence Act born in 1984. Section 60 of the Act mandated the audio recording of all police interviews with suspects.

One thing is absolutely certain: it's not budgetary issues that affect the placing and usage of audio recording devices in police interview rooms. Instead, it's the reactionary nature of legislators and the judiciary. After all, if the police always acted with impeccable ethics and decency in regard to the conducting of interviews and their written recording, it would hardly be necessary to make sound (let alone video) recordings. In a way, the placing of such audio equipment is a tacit admission that occasionally the police DO have the temptation to commit misconduct in interview situations. It's the pragmatically correct position for a mature democracy to take. I believe that many US states are sadly behind the curve in this respect.
 
PS will you stop editing (appending) every post substantially after you write it? If you have more to say, write another post, otherwise it's difficult and confusing to respond.
 
Why was the Chief of Police of NYC saying:

"Precinct interview rooms require soundproofing. Camera angles and acoustics have to be tested to ensure the recordings capture statements no matter how quietly spoken.

“It’s not the flip of a switch,” Mr. McCarthy said. “You are building a recording studio in dozens of unique spaces across the city.”""
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Perhaps because in part he was trying to justify why the force had dragged its heels in facilitating audio recording? Perhaps you can see (or maybe you cannot....) how and why he might have had a motive to provide an excuse other than the real one: "my officers resent the idea that they need to be recorded, with its attendant implication that they might commit malpractice in interviews or in the written recording of them."

Because all of these excuses - in regard to audio recording - are nonsense. Police interview rooms have to be somewhat soundproofed to start with, for obvious reasons. No extra soundproofing whatsoever is needed for audio recordings. In an interview room, the suspect and police almost always sit opposite each other across a table, and for audio recordings the recorder and microphones are placed on the table. They will pick up anything except for the most minuscule whisper. And they clearly record the human voice (together with the timbre, volume and emotion of the voice of course). There is zero question that they are vastly more accurate in determining what happened in the interview than any police notes, and there's zero question that they are infinitely more reliable.
 
Just imagine: a person is found guilty of murder in NYC, where it's the cops word against yours... and the Chief of Police responds as he did here:


"Precinct interview rooms require soundproofing. Camera angles and acoustics have to be tested to ensure the recordings capture statements no matter how quietly spoken.

“It’s not the flip of a switch,” Mr. McCarthy said. “You are building a recording studio in dozens of unique spaces across the city.”""

Imagine if it had been Mignini saying those things. The Amandites would be up in arms.
 
Just imagine: a person is found guilty of murder in NYC, where it's the cops word against yours... and the Chief of Police responds as he did here:


"Precinct interview rooms require soundproofing. Camera angles and acoustics have to be tested to ensure the recordings capture statements no matter how quietly spoken.

“It’s not the flip of a switch,” Mr. McCarthy said. “You are building a recording studio in dozens of unique spaces across the city.”""

Imagine if it had been Mignini saying those things. The Amandites would be up in arms.



But Mignini didn't say those things, did he? Instead, he muttered something about not being able to afford cassette tapes :D
 
the Knoxians might want to read this about taped interrogations. And this is NYC.... not Alabama:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/nyregion/police-didnt-tape-baby-hope-questioning.html

Gives me chance to educate you in logical fallacies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

In previous discussions, posters have posted the exact listing of Italian law where interrogations are legally suppose to be recorded as soon as they are considered a suspect as well as they to be given lawyer as soon as they are considered a suspect. Various excuses were given by pro guilt posters (I believe mostly Machiavellian) on both items.
 
Who'd'a thunk it?! Selective quotation from Vibio?! Taking quotes out of context to mendaciously try to argue a point?!

I guess the constant use of the term "Knoxians" was a clue as to this poster's "argument" style and rhetoric.......

That there is not a similar "Sollecitoians" reveals all.
 
Gives me chance to educate you in logical fallacies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

In previous discussions, posters have posted the exact listing of Italian law where interrogations are legally suppose to be recorded as soon as they are considered a suspect as well as they to be given lawyer as soon as they are considered a suspect. Various excuses were given by pro guilt posters (I believe mostly Machiavellian) on both items.

What is strange is that when Mignini strolls into the interrogation room for what both he and Machiavelli claim is a 4 hour non-interrogation, filled with alleged spontaneous statements from Ms. Knox.... is that Mr. Mignini still finds an excuse not to flip the switch. I mean, you wouldn't want those spontaneous statements actually recorded would you?
 
That there is not a similar "Sollecitoians" reveals all.
She's hotter, so she gets preference.
It is nice to see that "Knoxtards" seems to have fallen from common usage.
It's depressing to see that, in thread 11, this continues to attract so much time and attention.
What more is there to say? :confused:
 
"(These voice recordings were made at Police Headquarters in Perugia, appropriately prepared, where the co-tenants of Meredith Kercher, the boys of the apartment below that one occupied by the murdered girl, and the English girlfriends of the English student involved in the Erasmus Programme, had gathered on the afternoon of November 2, 2007." (highlighting mine)

At his office at the Police Headquarters. Mignini specifies the difference in his interview with the CNN.
 
4 November deja vu

At his office at the Police Headquarters. Mignini specifies the difference in his interview with the CNN.
The conversation between Raffaele and Amanda was surreptitiously recorded and was later transcribed, as discussed in one of my previous messages. Napoleoni had the room bugged, and the microphone was in a cardboard box, according to Follain, p. 119.
 
It's funny how us 'know nothings' stick around to address guilter questions while they keep running away or retreating into Machiavellian obscurity. There is a very simple, fundamental reason for that.

There are many reasons why people either stop posting here, or are gone for long periods.

It's a guess as to why. So it is I wish to remind Machiavelli that it goes unanswered why he now has two opinions as to Ms. Knox's demeanour on the night of Nov 5/6.

Many months ago he argued vigourously that he had discerned from her writings that she could choose not to sleep, and therefore be immune from effects of exhaustion or disorientation lack of sleep sometimes causes. He quoted his own experience with such issues - which he said explained why the time stamp of his posts often put him posting well into the night in Italy, often to 4 am/5 am.

Then one of his last posts here he said something else, seemingly unaware that the Machiavelli account had been used like that once.

There are a long list of questions others left for him, too. Hopefully when the issues in his real, non-on-line life allow him more free time, he can get to them, too.

Griffinmill was big on that Raffaele had never **in court ** given Amanda an alibi, ignoring all the evidence that for seven years Raffaele has done nothing else but give her an alibi. Griffinmill makes allusions to one snippet in a news conference to suggest that Raffaele was now throwing Ms. Knox under a bus; with no buttressing evidence of his own, except for the rumourmongering.

Then other posters here cite all three judges from all three trials on this subject, and ...... crickets.

And still, after Nencini himself says that Ms. Knox's alibi is essentially Sollecito's alibi..... in an apparent inconsistency the further issue is that Nencini hints that perhaps Sollecito cannot vouch for Knox's whereabouts at all times on Nov 1st.

This is the basis of Sollectio saying plainly in his own appeal's document to Cassation, if that is true, what then does any of this case have to do with me.

Crickets.

The know-nothings on this board get savaged for repeating these unanswered issues. True, sometimes an individual know-nothing is taken to task, showing that the issue had been answered - (eg. did Machiavelli accuse De Nunzio of committing a crime? Apologies for missing M.'s answer to that. Yes, M. accused De nunzio of a crime.)

So, if someone has the time, could they go back into Continuations 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, etc. and make a list?

Us know-nothings are desperate to be know-somethings.
 
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I don't have Follain's book, if anyone can publish this transcript I'd like to read it.

At 4:30 p.m., Amanda and Raffaele were shown into the room; the microphone lay hidden in an open cardboard box on top of a cupboard. The microphone however picked up only part of their conversation - they often dropped their voices and noise from a nearby fairground made it difficult to make out what they said.

They taked about "Shakey", who was terrifying when he ended a relationship with a girl, who once held a girl in a room against her will.

Amanda then had a conversation on her mobile - "I was the only one who was with her so they want to squeeze my brain to make me say things... they asked me to remember who came to the house, who met her. They asked me about her sex life and I said, 'What? I don't know that.'... I'm feeling sick. They yelled at me. I slept only two hours last night.... I saw the body [the word is unclear]... under the sheet."

She added: "It's only the police who are stressing me out.... If they ask me to stay until Christmas, I'll ask someone for help... I have my studies here.... On Monday, I've got my classes.... I can't be at their disposal all the time."

Then Raffaele went to buy some pizzas, and Napoleoni escorted Amanda, Filomena and Laura to the cottage. The investigators wanted the flatmates to check on the knives in the kitchen. They met Mignini.....
 
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Well, would you look at that. Redux...

For the Know-Nothing Knoxians who go on and on and on and on and on about Mignini's comment about budgets and recording: <snip>

Of course the Knoxians think it's only a matter of buying a 35 dollar Panasonic...


Hey Vibio,
We Knoxians debated this topic back in 2010 and 2011, in Continuation Thread #2.

Have a look at this post from Mary H from Jan. 1, 2011,
written as Raff and Amanda were imprisoned still:

Mary_H said:
Thank you to Catnip on PMF for providing this photograph from La Nazione, of PM Mignini talking to Luca Lalli outside the cottage on November 7th. RWVBWL, what is that I see in Mignini's hands?

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gal...perugia/2.html



What the heck!
Is PM Mignini using a tape recorder himself? Sure looks like it.
I wonder if it's a $35.00 Panasonic or a Sony like I own?

picture.php


And Mignini was talking with Italians, fellow native speakers like you and Mach.
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Too bad PM Mignini apparently could not bother to bring his tape recorder and audio record a foreign girls statements when he decided to act as a Notary on the early morning hours of Amanda Knox's planned overnight interrogation...
 
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Too bad PM Mignini apparently could not bother to bring his tape recorder and audio record a foreign girls statements when he decided to act as a Notary on the early morning hours of Amanda Knox's planned overnight interrogation...

Very well done, Randy.
 
Why would it have been reported in the media if it had passed through the admissibility phase? As far as I know, the ECHR doesn't issue press releases to this effect - I suspect they merely inform the applicant and his/her lawyers.
I wasn’t referring to ECHR reporting it in the media, more likely any such information would come from Amanda’s representatives.
 
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