Merged The Disturbences in Ferguson Missouri...

I now have skin in this game. Someone close to me has been sent to Ferguson to cover the scene for a news network. The whole news team was issued gas masks, helmets, protective goggles and flak jackets in case **** goes down. :(

Everybody stay safe out there.
 
jimbob said:
I am saying that the police in Ferguson had a reputation for victimising a section of the population and acting with excessive force. When this all kicked off, they then behaved in a way that demonstrated a lack of respect for the law.

I consider that illegal actions by state agencies against citizens are more noteworthy and important than criminals doing what criminals do.
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I had never even heard of Ferguson, MO before the Michael Brown shooting took place. I am unaware that there was a long-standing reputation of minorities being targeted. Do you have anything that I could read to catch up on that shows years of this happening?
 
jimbob said:
OK, and what has that to do with the price of fish?

The answer could be evidence that the local community has lost all trust in the police.


Even if it hasn't, how does that justify the wrongful arrests that have been well documented?
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plague311 said:
I had never even heard of Ferguson, MO before the Michael Brown shooting took place. I am unaware that there was a long-standing reputation of minorities being targeted. Do you have anything that I could read to catch up on that shows years of this happening?
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Did you miss that earlier post?
 
tyr_13 said:
Did you miss that earlier post?
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I must have, thanks. After reading through both of those I stick by what I said. I hadn't heard of Ferguson before the Michael Brown instance, and neither of those articles dictate that I should have. There have never been protests previous to this instance, nor have their been any public outcries. While it seems there is a bias, I don't see the local people have really voiced it before this.
 
Upchurch said:
The Facebook group that purportedly posted this information is now saying they did no such thing and that the story is bogus. My apologies for reposting it.
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I was wondering. The Reuters link at the bottom of that blog, used as a citation for the rioting advocating quote, is broken. As in, it leads to an error on Reuters page and I couldn't find the article it was supposedly citing.

Not that I find such quotes inherently unbelievable, especially as some of the comments on that Facebook page are...questionable.
 
plague311 said:
I must have, thanks. After reading through both of those I stick by what I said. I hadn't heard of Ferguson before the Michael Brown instance, and neither of those articles dictate that I should have. There have never been protests previous to this instance, nor have their been any public outcries. While it seems there is a bias, I don't see the local people have really voiced it before this.
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Oh, I see. Well that comes down to what goalposts one thinks 'reputation' sets. The key question there would likely be 'among who'?
 
I'm just curious what kind of rioting are they expecting, considering the weather is pretty cold. I was under the belief that most unrest occurs during the dog days of summer.
 
tyr_13 said:
I was wondering. The Reuters link at the bottom of that blog, used as a citation for the rioting advocating quote, is broken. As in, it leads to an error on Reuters page and I couldn't find the article it was supposedly citing.

Not that I find such quotes inherently unbelievable, especially as some of the comments on that Facebook page are...questionable.
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I can't help but wonder what might happen to a situation where the New Black Panthers were the moderating influence. Especially if they reconsidered that decision. Or tactic.

Here's something similar from ABC.




FBI Warns Ferguson Decision ‘Will Likely’ Lead to Violence By Extremists Protesters
Nov 17, 2014, 6:34 PM ET
By MIKE LEVINE, PIERRE THOMAS, JACK DATE and JACK CLOHERTY


As the nation waits to hear whether a Missouri police officer will face charges for killing unarmed teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., the FBI is warning law enforcement agencies across the country that the decision “will likely” lead some extremist protesters to threaten and even attack police officers or federal agents.

What's Happened in Ferguson, Missouri, Since Michael Brown's Death: A Timeline

What Is the Ferguson Grand Jury Considering

New Ferguson Videos Show Darren Wilson After Fatally Shooting Michael Brown

Peaceful protesters could be caught in the middle, and electrical facilities or water treatment plants could also become targets. In addition, so-called “hacktivists” like the group “Anonymous” could try to launch cyber-attacks against authorities.

“The announcement of the grand jury’s decision … will likely be exploited by some individuals to justify threats and attacks against law enforcement and critical infrastructure,” the FBI says in an intelligence bulletin issued in recent days. “This also poses a threat to those civilians engaged in lawful or otherwise constitutionally protected activities.”

"Those infiltrating and exploiting otherwise legitimate public demonstrations with the intent to incite and engage in violence could be armed..."

The FBI bulletin expresses concern only over those who would exploit peaceful protests, not the masses of demonstrators who will want to legitimately, lawfully and collectively express their views on the grand jury’s decision.

The bulletin “stresses the importance of remaining aware of the protections afforded to all U.S. persons exercising their First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.”

Within hours of the FBI issuing its bulletin, some police departments across the country issued their own internal memos urging officers to review procedures and protocols for responding to mass demonstrations.

Still, the bulletin’s conclusions were blunt: “The FBI assesses those infiltrating and exploiting otherwise legitimate public demonstrations with the intent to incite and engage in violence could be armed with bladed weapons or firearms, equipped with tactical gear/gas masks, or bulletproof vests to mitigate law enforcement measures.”​
 
gregthehammer said:
I'm just curious what kind of rioting are they expecting, considering the weather is pretty cold. I was under the belief that most unrest occurs during the dog days of summer.
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Well Christmas is coming, and the social justice warriors need to go shopping.
 
WildCat said:
Well Christmas is coming, and the social justice warriors need to go shopping.
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just thinking out loud here, but I can envision a scenario where the SJW's come out to stir up trouble, but they won't have quite the cover of peaceful protesters that they had this past summer. Might be easier for the cops to root out and control the bad actors before it turns into Ferguson Riots Part Deux.


Edit: just looked at the weather forecast, looks like a warm-up is coming to the St. Louis area this weekend. The grand jury might want to wait till the next polar vortex before any announcements.
 
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I'm not poor, black, and I don't live in Missouri.

Should be an entertaining week.
 
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Hopefully the peaceful protestors have gotten savvy on how to derail the troublemakers.

Not that I'd know how exactly to do that...I'm just being hopeful.
 
tyr_13 said:
I was wondering. The Reuters link at the bottom of that blog, used as a citation for the rioting advocating quote, is broken. As in, it leads to an error on Reuters page and I couldn't find the article it was supposedly citing.

Not that I find such quotes inherently unbelievable, especially as some of the comments on that Facebook page are...questionable.
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It's my fault for not checking the source or the article's sources. I should know better. Consider my wrist duly slapped.
 
plague311 said:
I had never even heard of Ferguson, MO before the Michael Brown shooting took place. I am unaware that there was a long-standing reputation of minorities being targeted. Do you have anything that I could read to catch up on that shows years of this happening?
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I don't know if this counts:
Ferguson correctional officer faces sex charges, rape lawsuit

On Friday, the woman, a nurse, filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in U.S. District Court in St. Louis, accusing Hayden of raping her while she was several months pregnant and being held in the jail. The suit names Hayden and the city.

The suit, which identifies the woman only by her initials, says that she was arrested on Oct. 9, 2013, for driving with expired license plates. She also gave police a false name.
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Upchurch said:
I don't know if this counts:
Ferguson correctional officer faces sex charges, rape lawsuit
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Right -- in that case they seem to have actual evidence to make a charge and very little in means of defense for the officer. If the reports of biological samples retrieved from the inmate are true, then he's toast. You really don't have to parse the victim's statement too closely because the thing can be resolved almost exclusively by the question did they have sexual contact.

Jailers who sexually assault inmates belong under the jail.

If the evidence changes, results may vary.
 
plague311 said:
I must have, thanks. After reading through both of those I stick by what I said. I hadn't heard of Ferguson before the Michael Brown instance, and neither of those articles dictate that I should have.
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So... no person or group can have a reputation if you're not aware of it?
 
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