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Continuation Part 11: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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WTF are you talking about? As someone asked for sources about Mignini arresting Carlizzi instead of "being influenced" I immediately linked them.
You remove eve these ones, seems.

Hi Mach, as it was me who had asked about Carlizzi, I actually had more to say.

But first I will ask you to respond to my post hgere:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10329912&postcount=1852

It's on the previous page, and the question is do you agree that the central issue in dispute if the relevance of evidence of only Rudy Guede's presence in the room where he killed Meredith Kercher, at the time of the actual assault? This is demonstarted principally by the medium of Meredith blood, but also by Rudy's DNA on and in her body, among numerous other places.

It is clearly you who are ducking this, the absolutely central issue in the case. Nothing else you say about what you consider to be evidence, or behaviors, or tramp lying witnesses, has any validity or relevance until you can squarely face this central issue.
There was blood everywhere, so obviously no clean-up. Only foot tracks of one person in that blood. Only fingerprints of one person, in that blood. Olny a palm print of one person, in that blood. No one else, just one person, IN THAT ROOM.

Only DNA in any meaningful quantity on and in Merdith's body and on her clothing. Just one person: Rudy Guede.

Your failure to address this issue shows that you can't. But even if you lack the objectivity to follow the simple plain logic of the argument, you OUGHT at least be able to recognize that this IS the central issue about which we are in disagreement.

I doubt you will my friend, I feel you are too far gone, and I'm sorry to say that, but I think its true.
As to Carlizzi - the fact that Mignini had her arrested in 2005, doesn't mean he still didn't rely upon her, and was indeed influenced by her, after that point in time.

Specifically, in Preston/Spezi's book, 'Monster of Florence', they describe Spezi's closed door hearing in April of 2006 where Mario Spezi has an opportunity to speak, and points out how much of Mignini's claims appear to be taken directly from Carlizzi's blog. And they point out how the presiding judge put down her pen and took no more notes, after Mignini said Spezi needed to remain in prison because he was such a dangerous fellow that he had successfully instigated an international PR campaign - all from his prison cell, that's how dangerous Spezi was, according to Mignini.

And, Preston/Spezi describe the scene two years later at Mignini's failed trial of Dr Francesco Calamandrei in Florence, also as being the Monster of Florence in Mignini's imaginings. They describe how Mignini had taken a statement from an associate of Carlizzi's, and declared the witness statement to be held in secret, and used the secret statement of Carlizzi's associate as the basis for the charges against Spezi and Calamandrei. Preston/Spezi describe how the witness statement from Carlizzi's associate then proceeded to provide a completely fictitious account of Spezi's life history and his family's history, and this was in 2008.

Carlizzi also reportedly (Spezi/Preston) contacted and met with Mignini in Perugia, "within days" of the Kercher killing, and as has been posted here in the last few pages, Mignini was still arguing that the Kercher killing was related to the rites of Halloween. And that was as late as 2008 as well.

And the case of the Florence 20, dismissed by judge Micheli in 2010, Mignini claims against the Narducci family were reportedly provided to him by Carlizzi in 2002, and 8 years later, Mignini is still working off of the same crazy Carlizzi theory.

So the simple fact that Mignini had Carlizzi arrested in 2005, in no way indicates Mignini was not still relying on the word of this ◊◊◊◊◊◊ crazy lady, after 2005.

Let us not forget that the Italian judges charged, put to trial, convicted, and even sentenced to prison Dr Mignini and MIchele Giutarri. Although the conviction was overturned on a technicality relating to jurisdiction, the case was transferred to Turin - BUT NEVER REFILED! So things like arresting someone for house arrest can't be taken too seriously, when even prison sentences are not deemed important enough to be confirmed, EVEN WHEN IT IS A HIGH PUBLIC OFFICIAL WHO IS THE CRIMINAL WHO HAS BEEN SENTENCED.

So if you want to be honest here, please leave aside the multiple side-trackings and focus on the evidence in the murder room, and kindly explain how Rudy Guede could paint a masterpiece in Meredith's blood, leave his DNA in large amounts in several places - including on and in her body, YET THERE BE NO TRACE OF AMANDA, or really anyone else in any reliable amount - AND YET THIS STILL BE A CRIME COMMITTED BY ANYONE OTHER THAN RUDY GUEDE - ALL BY HIMSELF.
 
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Hi Mach, as it was me who had asked about Carlizzi, I actually had more to say.

But first I will ask you to respond to my post hgere:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10329912&postcount=1852

It's on the previous page, and the question is do you agree that the central issue in dispute if the relevance of evidence of only Rudy Guede's presence in the room where he killed Meredith Kercher, at the time of the actual assault? This is demonstarted principally by the medium of Meredith blood, but also by Rudy's DNA on and in her body, among numerous other places.

It is clearly you who are ducking this, the absolutely central issue in the case. Nothing else you say about what you consider to be evidence, or behaviors, or tramp lying witnesses, has any validity or relevance until you can squarely face this central issue.
There was blood everywhere, so obviously no clean-up. Only foot tracks of one person in that blood. Only fingerprints of one person, in that blood. Olny a palm print of one person, in that blood. No one else, just one person, IN THAT ROOM.

Only DNA in any meaningful quantity on and in Merdith's body and on her clothing. Just one person: Rudy Guede.

Your failure to address this issue shows that you can't. But even if you lack the objectivity to follow the simple plain logic of the argument, you OUGHT at least be able to recognize that this IS the central issue about which we are in disagreement.

I doubt you will my friend, I feel you are too far gone, and I'm sorry to say that, but I think its true.
As to Carlizzi - the fact that Mignini had her arrested in 2005, doesn't mean he still didn't rely upon her, and was indeed influenced by her, after that point in time.

Specifically, in Preston/Spezi's book, 'Monster of Florence', they describe Spezi's closed door hearing in April of 2006 where Mario Spezi has an opportunity to speak, and points out how much of Mignini's claims appear to be taken directly from Carlizzi's blog. And they point out how the presiding judge put down her pen and took no more notes, after Mignini said Spezi needed to remain in prison because he was such a dangerous fellow that he had successfully instigated an international PR campaign - all from his prison cell, that's how dangerous Spezi was, according to Mignini.

And, Preston/Spezi describe the scene two years later at Mignini's failed trial of Dr Francesco Calamandrei in Florence, also as being the Monster of Florence in Mignini's imaginings. They describe how Mignini had taken a statement from an associate of Carlizzi's, and declared the witness statement to be held in secret, and used the secret statement of Carlizzi's associate as the basis for the charges against Spezi and Calamandrei. Preston/Spezi describe how the witness statement from Carlizzi's associate then proceeded to provide a completely fictitious account of Spezi's life history and his family's history, and this was in 2008.

Carlizzi also reportedly (Spezi/Preston) contacted and met with Mignini in Perugia, "within days" of the Kercher killing, and as has been posted here in the last few pages, Mignini was still arguing that the Kercher killing was related to the rites of Halloween. And that was as late as 2008 as well.

And the case of the Florence 20, dismissed by judge Micheli in 2010, Mignini claims against the Narducci family were reportedly provided to him by Carlizzi in 2002, and 8 years later, Mignini is still working off of the same crazy Carlizzi theory.

So the simple fact that Mignini had Carlizzi arrested in 2005, in no way indicates Mignini was not still relying on the word of this ◊◊◊◊◊◊ crazy lady, after 2005.

Let us not forget that the Italian judges charged, put to trial, convicted, and even sentenced to prison Dr Mignini and MIchele Giutarri. Although the conviction was overturned on a technicality relating to jurisdiction, the case was transferred to Turin - BUT NEVER REFILED! So things like arresting someone for house arrest can't be taken too seriously, when even prison sentences are not deemed important enough to be confirmed, EVEN WHEN IT IS A HIGH PUBLIC OFFICIAL WHO IS THE CRIMINAL WHO HAS BEEN SENTENCED.

So if you want to be honest here, please leave aside the multiple side-trackings and focus on the evidence in the murder room, and kindly explain how Rudy Guede could paint a masterpiece in Meredith's blood, leave his DNA in large amounts in several places - including on and in her body, YET THERE BE NO TRACE OF AMANDA, or really anyone else in any reliable amount - AND YET THIS STILL BE A CRIME COMMITTED BY ANYONE OTHER THAN RUDY GUEDE - ALL BY HIMSELF.

Carbonjam72 - you are talking to a person who has said this.....

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There is anyway no rule or principle by which you csn throw out pieces of evidence insofar they don't meet a "standard": that would be glaringly against jurisprudence.

My suspicion is that he also believes the opposite is true - that you don't have to accept a piece of evidence just because it does meet all standards.
 
The Italian courts - including the Hellmann court - demonstrated that they would not obey the Italian Constitution and Italian law with respect to admitting evidence requested by the defense. This included their refusal or inability (perhaps due to a fear of the police, some of whom have been alleged to be involved in criminal behavior in Perugia*) to order admitted the suppressed evidence held by the forensic police as well as evidence (...)

The Italian Courts obey to an established jurisprudence, as well as to a procedure code, this is why their decisions where easily predictable.
It's a jurisprudence which evidently you ignore.
 
As the following articles specify, there is, in fact clear authority to refuse to admit or to later discard evidence in a criminal trial. Per Article 190, for example,

"The judge shall decide without delay by issuing an order, excluding any evidence that is not allowed by law or manifestly superfluous or irrelevant"

The code, in fact, says exactly the contrary of what you claim. With the exception of that evidence that is explicitly prohibited by the law, the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant.
Obviously the concept of "relevant" refers to the trial, that is it is usually different between a first instance trial and an appeal. It may be harder to introduce pieces of evidence on appeal which would require to re-discuss previous evidence, and make them look "relevant".
 
Citation and translation, please

The Italian Courts obey to an established jurisprudence, as well as to a procedure code, this is why their decisions where easily predictable.
It's a jurisprudence which evidently you ignore.

By jurisprudence, I assume you mean a codified system of law. Would you kindly provide a citation and translation of the laws or court decisions you are referring to, so that we who are beginners at understanding Italian law can learn? I thank you in advance. I am also a little confused, if the jurisprudence is based on court decisions rather than a CCP type of code, how that applies to Italy, which has not a common-law but rather a civil-code system, and is not supposed to rely on precedents.

Definition of jurisprudence:
{Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jurisprudence}

1
: the science or philosophy of law
2 a : a system or body of law b : the course of court decisions3
: a department of law <medical jurisprudence>
 
The code, in fact, says exactly the contrary of what you claim. With the exception of that evidence that is explicitly prohibited by the law, the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant.
Obviously the concept of "relevant" refers to the trial, that is it is usually different between a first instance trial and an appeal. It may be harder to introduce pieces of evidence on appeal which would require to re-discuss previous evidence, and make them look "relevant".

Could you please clarify the difference between "first-instance" and "appeal" court practice in Italy. There is a big difference between the "appeal" court practice in Italy and in the US (which uses primarily a common-law judicial system). My impression is that the "appeal" court in Italian practice is a court of fact and of law; in the US, an appeal court is only a judge-only court of law and procedure - if there is a fact issue that arises, the appeal court orders a "retrial" at the first level (a jury trial unless the defendant requests a judge-only trial). What limits the Italian "appeal" or second-level trial court from hearing new evidence which indeed bears on the evidence admitted at the first level? I thank you in advance for your response.
 
Hi Mach, as it was me who had asked about Carlizzi, I actually had more to say.

But first I will ask you to respond to my post hgere:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10329912&postcount=1852

It's on the previous page, and the question is do you agree that the central issue in dispute if the relevance of evidence of only Rudy Guede's presence in the room where he killed Meredith Kercher, at the time of the actual assault? This is demonstarted principally by the medium of Meredith blood, but also by Rudy's DNA on and in her body, among numerous other places.

(...)

I am going to reject these delusions without spending my time after them.
The answer is: no. We do not agree in restricting any discussion to the murder room.
We do not agree that there is evidence of Rudy Guede only in the murder room. And we do not agree that there is a dispute on the relevance of "only evidence in the murder room". Our disagreement is wider and complete on the while rest of things.
We also do not agree about the relevance of the absence of some kind of physical evidence and the presence of other, in either the murder room or the other rooms at the murder scene.
As for Spezi/Preston, the problem is just completely reversed: there is simply no reason for thinking that Mignini had ever had Carlizzi as a consultant or trusted informant; this is simply foolish, the only reason for buying such an idiotic and manifestly false story could be if one decides to believe Spezi's ravings. Only if you believe Spezi/Preston fiction (or their few friends) you have these thoughts, there is nothing in reality on which you can base yourself except those manifestly fraudulent scribblers. Try to wake up and check a not if reality. Look at what Spezi has tried to do at villa Bibbiani, look at his being an ally of a mobster like Ruocco, look at the idiocies told by Preston, look at the things you didn't know about the MoF trial, and think about how many things you may not know. Did you know Mignini asked for an insufficient evidence finding on Calamandrei?
 
The code, in fact, says exactly the contrary of what you claim. With the exception of that evidence that is explicitly prohibited by the law, the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant.Obviously the concept of "relevant" refers to the trial, that is it is usually different between a first instance trial and an appeal. It may be harder to introduce pieces of evidence on appeal which would require to re-discuss previous evidence, and make them look "relevant".

Like the presumed semen stain on the pillow below the hips of the victim.
 
I am going to reject these delusions without spending my time after them.
The answer is: no. We do not agree in restricting any discussion to the murder room.
We do not agree that there is evidence of Rudy Guede only in the murder room. And we do not agree that there is a dispute on the relevance of "only evidence in the murder room". Our disagreement is wider and complete on the while rest of things.
We also do not agree about the relevance of the absence of some kind of physical evidence and the presence of other, in either the murder room or the other rooms at the murder scene.

Well, again you seem to miss the point. Specifically, evidence that Amanda or Raf, or anyone else, was present in the house, AT THE TIME OF THE MURDER. Guede's presence is there at that time, because of his signature in blood and DNA at the scene.

Amanda and Raf lived in the house. Of course there will be signs of their presence, but not necessarily at the time of the murder. D'UH!! Nencini's conclusion that any traces of Amanda in her own home are only referable to the crime, is an indication that the trial and the judicial reasonings are not serious or valid, but plainly irrational, unsupported, unfounded, or how shall we say, michugena.

As for Spezi/Preston, the problem is just completely reversed: there is simply no reason for thinking that Mignini had ever had Carlizzi as a consultant or trusted informant; this is simply foolish, the only reason for buying such an idiotic and manifestly false story could be if one decides to believe Spezi's ravings.

Well, I agree. The issue is whether one believes Spezi/Preston and their professional reporting.

And I do believe Spezi/Preston, over the my admirably game sparring partner 'Big Mach', who thinks he can contradict forensic experts on subjects like luminol tests which are TMB negative, as still being 'probably blood'.

I'm sorry Mach, but your undoubtedly high opinion of yourself does not extend to the denial of well settled forensic science. You may think you're being clever, but you're fighting the best state of our knowledge. Only your refusal to concede the defeat of your assumption of guilt, drives your irrationally clinging to an irrational argument.

Only if you believe Spezi/Preston fiction (or their few friends) you have these thoughts, there is nothing in reality on which you can base yourself except those manifestly fraudulent scribblers. Try to wake up and check a not if reality. Look at what Spezi has tried to do at villa Bibbiani, look at his being an ally of a mobster like Ruocco, look at the idiocies told by Preston, look at the things you didn't know about the MoF trial, and think about how many things you may not know. Did you know Mignini asked for an insufficient evidence finding on Calamandrei?

Yes, I was aware that Mignini asked to archive the charges. Spezi/Preston reported that a suggestion was made to the prosecutor, and it was taken up.

Just think about that for a second: Mignini said there was insufficient evidence for charges, in an investigation that he himself had brought forward INTO COURT. Do you think it's possible he may have been similarly mistaken in other cases? Like, ahem, THIS ONE!!! (This is not a compliment to Mignini you've made!!! You've exposed him as a complete buffoon, contradicting his own case!!! Don't you get that???)
But it shows the 'never give an inch' spirit of Mignini to hang in there and even then proceed with his insane fraudulent cases against the Florence 20, still trying to ingratiate himself in the Monster of Florence crimes, and secure his precious career promotion, which he valued over his intentional disruption of so many innocent lives.

On some level, I confess that I do admire Giuliano Mignini. He is almost a pure psychopathic sadistic narcissist. The sheer madness of his delirium, and his unwavering devotion to a manifestly crazy set of beliefs is endlessly fascinating to me. I admit it! Of course he belongs in prison, as any rational society would surely conclude, and in time, I have no doubt will. Giuliano Mignini has a date with a jail cell, and neither fire, flood nor earth quakes (predicted or otherwise) will keep him from his appointed rounds. You have my word.
And btw, you didn't respond to the argument, concerning the relevance of Guede in the room when Meredith died, and the absence of anyone else, for the simple reason, that you can't.
 
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Of interest.
CASE OF COEME AND OTHERS v. BELGIUM 32492/96 32547/96 32548/96 22/06/2000

ECtHR maintains that the primary purpose of procedural rules is to protect the defendant against any abuse of authority. {Notice the alliteration!:)}


102. The Court reiterates that the principle that the rules of criminal procedure must be laid down by law is a general principle of law. It stands side by side with the requirement that the rules of substantive criminal law must likewise be established by law and is enshrined in the maxim “nullum judicium sine lege”. It imposes certain specific requirements regarding the conduct of proceedings, with a view to guaranteeing a fair trial, which entails respect for equality of arms. The principle of equality of arms requires that each party must be afforded a reasonable opportunity to present his case under conditions that do not place him at a substantial disadvantage vis-à-vis his opponent (see, among other authorities, the De Haes and Gijsels v. Belgium judgment of 24 February 1997, Reports of Judgments and Decisions 1997-I, p. 238, § 53). The Court further observes that the primary purpose of procedural rules is to protect the defendant against any abuse of authority and it is therefore the defence which is the most likely to suffer from omissions and lack of clarity in such rules.
103. Consequently, the Court considers that the uncertainty caused by the lack of procedural rules established beforehand placed the applicant at a considerable disadvantage vis-à-vis the prosecution, which deprived Mr Coëme of a fair trial for the purposes of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention.

ETA: So what are the rules for the judge denying defense requests for admitting exculpatory evidence into the trial?
 
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Of interest - relating to the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. Seems so relevant...too bad Massei and Nencini were not aware of the principles expressed in this case. Perhaps the Italian judiciary needs to attend Remedial ECHR Law Class.

CASE OF TELFNER v. AUSTRIA 33501/96 20/03/2001

THE FACTS

7. On 8 April 1995, in the early hours, an accident took place in Obsteig, a small village in the Tyrol. Mr K. was struck by a car and suffered a slight injury to his arm. Mr K. reported the incident to the police and identified the type and registration number of the car involved. He had, however, not been in a position to identify the driver of the car.

8. On the same morning, officers of the local police station started investigations. They found the car, registered in the name of the applicant’s mother, Mrs G., parked in front of the house where the applicant was living with his family. The applicant’s mother stated that she had not been driving. As regards the applicant, she stated that he was not home yet and showed the police officers the applicant’s room in which his bed was untouched. Further, she stated that the car was regularly used by several family members. She was requested to send the applicant to the police station as soon as he came in. When asked later that day, the applicant’s mother stated that he still had not come home. In its investigation report the police referred to the applicant as the suspect and stated that, according to the police officers’ general observations, he was the main user of the car.

9. On 20 December 1995 and on 2 February 1996 the Silz District Court (Bezirksgericht) tried the applicant on charges of causing injury by negligence (fahrlässige Körperverletzung). The applicant pleaded “not guilty”. He stated that he had not been driving the car at the relevant time and that he did not wish to make any further submissions. Mr K., heard as a witness, confirmed his statements to the police, in particular that he had not been able to identify the driver of the car, nor to state whether the driver had been male or female. The applicant’s mother and his sister exercised their right not to testify. The minutes state that they were cautioned as to this right, but do not mention the ground on which the caution was based. Pursuant to section 152 § 1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (Strafprozessordnung), so far as relevant in the present context, a witness may refuse to give evidence if the statement would expose him or her to the danger of criminal prosecution; a witness may equally refuse to give evidence in proceedings against a close relative.

10. On 2 February 1996 the Silz District Court convicted the applicant of causing injury by negligence. It sentenced him to a fine of 24,000 Austrian schillings (ATS), half of which was suspended on probation, and ordered him to pay ATS 1,000 as a partial amount for damages to the victim. In establishing the facts, the court relied on the investigation report of the police, the statement of Mr K. and the applicant’s defence. Its reasoning was as follows:

"The accused stated in his evidence at trial that he had not been driving the vehicle at the time of the accident and denied every other point in the statement of facts. Both the accused’s mother, who is the legal owner of the vehicle, and his sister, [M.G.], whom the accused called as a witness, refused to give evidence at the trial. As the injured party, [Mr K.], could not determine at the time of the accident who had been driving the vehicle, the only evidence which remained in connection with this point were the observations of the Obermieming police station, according to which it was common knowledge that the vehicle in question was mainly driven by the accused, ... On the basis of those observations the court is also satisfied that [the applicant] was driving the vehicle at the material time and caused the accident. The additional circumstance that, according to the observations of the Obermieming police station, the accused was not at home after the accident and had evidently still not returned by 8 p.m. that day and, moreover, that no one knew where he was, leads to the sole, unequivocal conclusion that only the accused could have committed the offence; presumably he refused to make a statement because he was under the influence of alcohol, but there is no evidence for that finding. The remaining findings as to the circumstances of the accident or the subsequent course of events are based solely on the consistent and fully credible statements of the witness [Mr K.].”

11. On 23 July 1996 the Innsbruck Regional Court (Landesgericht), after having supplemented the proceedings by inspecting a file concerning administrative criminal proceedings against the applicant’s sister relating to a traffic offence, and having found that the car at issue was also used by the applicant’s sister, dismissed the applicant’s appeal and confirmed the first instance judgment. In particular, as regards the District Court’s evaluation of evidence, the Regional Court found as follows:

"The impugned assessment of the evidence is consistent, complete and convincing, so that the appellate court can adopt it as well as the findings based thereon. It is the case that the person claiming damages in criminal proceedings was only able to identify the car and could not describe the occupant or occupants of the vehicle. From the evidence it is established, however, that the car, registered in the name of the accused’s mother, is mainly used by the accused, even if it is also occasionally used by others, such as the accused’s sister. It would have been open to the accused to give a contrary version of events which conflicted with the charges and to put in relevant evidence without thereby at the same time having to name another person as the driver. That was evidently impossible, however, because having spent the night away from his parents’ house and possibly consuming alcohol he had on 8 April 1995 driven his mother’s car through Obsteig. The court of first instance correctly referred to the observations of the police officers to the effect that immediately after the accident the car was indeed in front of the parents’ house, yet the accused’s bed had not been slept in and he could not be found. Nor could it be ascertained where the accused, who refused to make a written statement to the police, was staying. On the basis of the available evidence before it the court of first instance made a realistic assessment of the facts, especially as there was no evidence that anyone else, such as the accused’s sister, had been driving the car at the time of the accident.”

THE LAW

I. ALLEGED VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 6 § 2 OF THE CONVENTION

12. The applicant asserted that the criminal courts disregarded the presumption of innocence laid down in Article 6 § 2 of the Convention which reads as follows:

“Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.”

13. The applicant concedes that, under the Code of Criminal Procedure, the courts have the power to freely assess the evidence before them. However, in the present case they transgressed the limits of that power. His conviction could neither be based on his “not guilty” plea, as he had clearly stated that he had not driven the car at the material time, nor on the statement of the victim, who had not even been able to identify whether the driver was male or female. His mother and sister had exercised their right not to testify. The courts relied on the allegation made in the police report, according to which the car at issue was mainly used by him. Even if it were established that he generally used the car, neither this fact nor the fact that he had not passed the night at his mother’s house permitted the “sole, unequivocal conclusion” that he had driven the car at the time of the accident. On the contrary, this conclusion was arbitrary and violated the presumption of innocence in that it wrongly placed the burden of proof on the defence.

14. The Government, for their part, contended that the assessment of evidence was a matter for the domestic courts. Referring to the Court’s case-law, they argued that even legal presumptions were not generally incompatible with Article 6 and the courts were free to consider a defendant’s silence when evaluating the persuasiveness of the evidence presented by the prosecution. The Government maintained that the applicant was given ample opportunity to defend himself and to refute the evidence adduced at the trial or to produce evidence in his favour. However, the applicant merely stated that he had not been using his mother’s vehicle and otherwise chose to remain silent, thus waiving the opportunity to refute the evidence against him. The courts’ conclusion that the applicant was guilty was – in view of the fact that the car at issue had mostly been used by the applicant, that it was parked in front of his parental home, that the applicant’s bed had not been slept in, that the latter could not be found and that there was no indication that someone else had driven the car – free from contradiction, realistic and not at all far-fetched.

15. The Court recalls that, as a general rule, it is for the national courts to assess the evidence before them, while it is for the Court to ascertain that the proceedings considered as a whole were fair, which in case of criminal proceedings includes the observance of the presumption of innocence. Article 6 § 2 requires, inter alia, that when carrying out their duties, the members of a court should not start with the preconceived idea that the accused has committed the offence charged; the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and any doubt should benefit the accused (see the Barberà, Messegué and Jabardo v. Spain judgment of 6 December 1988, Series A no. 146, pp. 31 and 33, §§ 67-68 and 77). Thus, the presumption of innocence will be infringed where the burden of proof is shifted from the prosecution to the defence (see the John Murray v. the United Kingdom judgment of 8 February 1996, Reports of Judgments and Decisions 1996-I, p. 52, § 54).

16. It is true, as the Government pointed out, that legal presumptions are not in principle incompatible with Article 6 (see for instance the Salabiaku v. France judgment of 7 October 1988, Series A no. 141-A, pp. 15-16, § 28); nor is the drawing of inferences from the accused’s silence (see the John Murray judgment, cited above, pp. 49-52, §§ 45-54).

17. However, the present case does not concern the application of a legal presumption of fact or law, nor is the Court convinced by the Government’s argument that the domestic courts could legitimately draw inferences from the applicant’s silence. The Court recalls that the above-mentioned John Murray judgment concerned a case in which the law allowed for the drawing of common-sense inferences from the accused’s silence, where the prosecution had established a case against him, which called for an explanation. Considering that the evidence adduced at the trial constituted a formidable case against the applicant, the Court found that the drawing of such inferences, which was moreover subject to important procedural safeguards, did not violate Article 6 in the circumstances of the case (ibid.). The Court considers that the drawing of inferences from an accused’s silence may also be permissible in a system like the Austrian one where the courts freely evaluate the evidence before them, provided that the evidence adduced is such that the only common-sense inference to be drawn from the accused’s silence is that he had no answer to the case against him.

18. In the present case, both the District Court and the Regional Court relied in essence on a report of the local police station that the applicant was the main user of the car and had not been home on the night of the accident. However, the Court cannot find that these elements of evidence, which were moreover not corroborated by evidence taken at the trial in an adversarial manner, constituted a case against the applicant which would have called for an explanation from his part. In this context, the Court notes, in particular, that the victim of the accident had not been able to identify the driver, nor even to say whether the driver had been male or female, and that the Regional Court, after supplementing the proceedings, found that the car in question was also used by the applicant’s sister. In requiring the applicant to provide an explanation although they had not been able to establish a convincing prima facie case against him, the courts shifted the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defence.

19. In addition, the Court notes that both the District Court and the Regional Court speculated about the possibility of the applicant having been under the influence of alcohol which was, as they admitted themselves, not supported by any evidence. Although such speculation was not directly relevant to establishing the elements of the offence with which the applicant had been charged, it contributes to the impression that the courts had a preconceived view of the applicant’s guilt.

20. In conclusion, the Court finds that there has been a violation of Article 6 § 2 of the Convention.
 
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Another in the series of cases for the remedial ECHR Law course. This one is focused on the suppression of evidence by police and/or prosecutor. That's a favorite technique of official misconduct in the country of XXXXX [name suppressed :)].

CASE OF V. v. FINLAND 40412/98 24/04/2007

Summary: "V" was a student with no criminal record. The police had V's friend "H", who was on remand (jail) for drug crimes, call V to make a pot buy/sell. V agreed, but had no pot himself, so called "M" who knew about pot shipments entering Finland. V was arrested when V went to the sell spot with pot. The police suppressed the information about the mobile phone calls from H to V from V, until after the time limit for V's appeal had passed.

The Court's judgment:

74. It is a fundamental aspect of the right to a fair trial that criminal proceedings, including the elements of such proceedings which relate to procedure, should be adversarial and that there should be equality of arms between the prosecution and defence. The right to an adversarial trial means, in a criminal case, that both prosecution and defence must be given the opportunity to have knowledge of and comment on the observations filed and the evidence adduced by the other party (see Brandstetter v. Austria, judgment of 28 August 1991, Series A no. 211, pp. 27-28, §§ 66‑67). In addition Article 6 § 1 requires that the prosecution authorities disclose to the defence all material evidence in their possession for or against the accused (see Jasper v. the United Kingdom [GC], no. 27052/95, § 51, 16 February 2000).

75. However, the entitlement to disclosure of relevant evidence is not an absolute right. In any criminal proceedings there may be competing interests, such as national security or the need to protect witnesses at risk of reprisals or keep secret police methods of investigation of crime, which must be weighed against the rights of the accused (see, for example, Doorson v. the Netherlands, judgment of 26 March 1996, Reports 1996-II, p. 470, § 70). In some cases it may be necessary to withhold certain evidence from the defence so as to preserve the fundamental rights of another individual or to safeguard an important public interest. However, only such measures restricting the rights of the defence which are strictly necessary are permissible under Article 6 § 1 (see Van Mechelen and Others v. the Netherlands, judgment of 23 April 1997, Reports 1997-III, p. 712, § 58). Moreover, in order to ensure that the accused receives a fair trial, any difficulties caused to the defence by a limitation on its rights must be sufficiently counterbalanced by the procedures followed by the judicial authorities (see Doorson, cited above, p. 471, § 72, and Van Mechelen and Others, cited above, p. 712, § 54).

76. In the present case, the police initially withheld from the applicant, the prosecutor and the courts the information that H. had been in police custody when he had placed the order. The applicant learnt about this by chance at a late stage of the District Court proceedings. Defence counsel informed the Helsinki District Court that he had requested the police to produce the telephone metering information as regards calls from and to the applicant's mobile telephone but that it had not yet been granted (see paragraph 21 above). The police clearly opposed the applicant's attempts to have the extent to which the police had been involved in the matter cleared up as they made an application to the Espoo District Court for an order authorising them not to disclose to the applicant that his telephone had been under surveillance. Permission not to inform the applicant that his mobile telephone had been under surveillance was granted. Given the reasons provided and the circumstances in which the police had operated, it transpires that the police were unwilling to reveal the true course of their actions which may have resulted in the applicant's committing a criminal offence. It appears that the police had given the Espoo District Court the false impression that the applicant was not even aware that his telephone had been under surveillance in the first place (see paragraph 22 above). The next day the police informed the applicant of the decision, declining to disclose the records of surveillance. The defence made a second request on 29 November and a third request on 2 December 1996 that the District Court order the police officer in charge of the investigations, Superintendent J.M., to produce the telephone metering information at the next hearing. The prosecutor, having submitted that the allegation about the calls made from police custody appeared to be true and that he did not rule out the possibility that the only reason the applicant took possession of the cannabis was the call from H., the defence rested their case (see paragraphs 25 and 26 above).

77. The Court considers that the defence were not kept informed and were not permitted to make submissions and participate in the above decision-making process as far as was possible. By concealing important facts, the police denied the applicant the opportunity to verify his assumptions and to prove their correctness. No public interest grounds have been advanced for not revealing to the applicant the metering information concerning his telephone. The Court notes, in particular, that the material which was not disclosed related to an issue of fact highly relevant to the alleged entrapment.

78. While it is true that the courts were fully versed in all the issues in the case, they did not, however, any more than the defence or the public prosecutor, have knowledge of the contents of the telephone metering information and they were not therefore in a position to monitor the relevance to the defence of the withheld information.

79. The proceedings before the Court of Appeal were inadequate to remedy this defect, since, as at first instance, there was no possibility of making informed submissions to the court on behalf of the accused as the applicant received the requested information only after the relevant time-limit for the appeal had elapsed. Moreover, the applicant argued that the information received had been inadequate, which had been confirmed by the telephone operator on 25 April 1997.

80. In conclusion, therefore, the Court finds that the decision-making procedure failed to comply with the requirements of fairness as it was not possible for the defence to argue in due time the case on entrapment in full. It follows that there has been a violation of Article 6 § 1 in the present case.

ETA: Note all the suppressed evidence in the AK-RS trials: 1) putative semen stain on pillow and analysis thereof; 2) many DNA profiles, including for example, the ones from downstairs, and the most relevant from the rape kit; 3) all the electronic data files (EDFs), which are the best evidence of DNA profile results; 4) the methods used in the DNA tests, and even the dates; 5) all negative DNA controls with their EDFs; 6) interrogation recordings; 7) all the other evidence that has been suppressed, including fingerprints, luminol and TMB methodology, etc.
 
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Like stealing candy from a baby.

Anyone who writes the following has not studied the photographs taken on 2nd November 2007 of the crime scene.

The small chunk that broke off also points to its having been lightly lobbed at very close range.

The question is why would the person who wrote this think listing 200 odd pieces of random evidence bolsters a case for guilt of Amanda and Raffaele.

In simple terms there is no physical explanation for the deeply impaled shard of glass in the hardwood shutter with a light lob.

(ETA this is addressing the rock and the broken window)
 
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The next in the series of the Remedial ECHR Law Course: Insufficient reasoning in criminal conviction

Ajdarić v. Croatia 20883/09 13/12/2011

Facts – In 2005 the applicant was arrested for car theft and detained in a remand prison. During his detention, he fell ill and was transferred to a prison hospital, where he shared a room with seven other inmates. One of these inmates, M.G., was accused of killing three people in 1998, and another, S.Š., was a former police officer who had been sentenced for attempted murder. At an unspecified date, S.Š. informed the police that he had knowledge of the circumstances of the 1998 murders. He later gave a statement before the investigating judge of the competent county court explaining that he had overheard private conversations between the applicant and M.G. which revealed that the applicant had in fact been an accomplice to the three murders M.G. had been accused of. The applicant was subsequently charged on three counts of murder and the criminal proceedings against him were joined to those already pending against M.G. S.Š. repeated his testimony in court, but two other inmates, who had spent time with them in the same room at the prison hospital, did not support his evidence. A psychiatric report concluding that S.Š. was suffering from emotionally instability and histrionic personality disorder was also submitted to the court. The county court ultimately sentenced the applicant and M.G. each to forty years’ imprisonment and the judgment was upheld by the Supreme Court.

Law – Article 6 § 1: According to the Court’s established case-law, judgments of courts and tribunals should be properly reasoned, although the extent of this duty might vary according to the nature of the decision and the circumstances of each particular case. The Court noted at the outset that the applicant had been sentenced to forty years’ imprisonment on three counts of murder solely on the basis of evidence given by S.Š. The national courts had expressly stated that there had been no other evidence implicating the applicant in the murders at issue. However, they had made no efforts to verify S.Š.’s statements but had accepted them as truthful, irrespective of the medical evidence that he suffered from emotional instability and histrionic personality disorder and had not received the psychiatric treatment that had been recommended for him. Moreover, his statements referring to the applicant’s involvement in the murders were unclear, imprecise and often contradictory. Despite this, the domestic courts had made no comments on the evidence to the contrary that had been given by other inmates who had shared the room with the applicant, M.G. and S.Š. For those reasons, the Court concluded that the decisions reached in the applicant’s case had not been adequately reasoned, had failed to observe the basic criminal-justice requirement of proof beyond reasonable doubt and had not been in accordance with the in dubio pro reo principle.

Conclusion: violation of Article 6.1
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The principle of in dubio pro reo (Latin for "when in doubt, for the accused") means that a defendant may not be convicted by the court when doubts about his or her guilt remain.

It is often used specifically to refer to the principle of presumption of innocence that dictates that when a criminal statute allows more than one interpretation, the one that favours the defendant should be chosen.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo
 
The ECtHR will consider a trial unfair if any evidence in the trial has obtained by torture (violation of Article 3). ECtHR defines torture as ill-treatment having a certain level of severity, often such that physical signs detectable by medical examination are detectable within a reasonable period after it occurs (my interpretation). Mistreatment of a less severe nature, but which can result in feelings of powerlessness or humiliation, which may be used to coerce statements, may fall under the category of "inhuman or degrading treatment" (also a violation of Article 3).

CASE OF LEVINTA v. MOLDOVA 17332/03 16/12/2008

Summary: The two Levinta brothers were arrested in Russia at the request of Moldovan authorities, and they were delivered to the Moldovan police. The brothers were tortured to the extent that at least one required emergency medical treatment. The aim of the torture was to get them to confess to being part of a gang involved in a series of murders or attempted murders. They were denied lawyers during a period of several days during the initial torture. One or more of the lawyers was allegedly threatened by the police. The brothers were not allowed to meet privately with their lawyers during the first days that the brothers were in custody.

An excerpt from the Court's judgment:

101. The Court refers to its finding that the applicants were ill-treated on 4 November 2000 (see paragraphs 71 and 92 above) with the purpose of extracting confessions from them and that that ill-treatment amounted to torture. In view of its findings below, the Court considers that it is not necessary to examine the applicants’ submission that they were subjected to further ill-treatment in the period between 4 and 8 November 2000, submissions which they could not substantiate due to the absence of a proper investigation into these allegations (see paragraph 92 above).

102. The Court has found that, following their ill-treatment on 4 November 2000 and after proof thereof was obtained on 5 November 2000, the authorities knowingly left the applicants under the full control of those who had ill-treated them. It has found that that in itself amounted to a continuation of ill-treatment in breach of Article 3 (see paragraphs 71-75 above).

103. The applicants made a number of self-incriminating statements on 7 and 8 November 2000, in which they fully recognised their guilt in having committed the crimes with which they were charged. The Court refers to its finding (see paragraph 73 above) that they did not have any contact with their lawyers in the period of 4-8 November 2000 and that they made their initial statements without benefiting from legal advice.

104. The Court considers that the statements obtained from the applicants in such circumstances, following their torture and while being deprived of any support from their lawyers (aside from their intervention on 4 November 2000) and faced with a total lack of reaction by the authorities to their lawyers’ complaints (see paragraph 83 above), fall within the category of statements which should never be admissible in criminal proceedings since use of such evidence would make such proceedings unfair as a whole, regardless of whether the courts also relied on other evidence (see paragraph 100 above).

105. Since the applicants in the present case have been subjected to torture, the Court considers it unnecessary to determine the extent to which the domestic courts relied on evidence obtained as a result and whether such evidence had been determinant to the applicants’ conviction. The mere fact that the domestic courts actually relied on evidence obtained as a result of torture rendered the entire trial unfair.

106. In such circumstances, there has been a violation of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention.
 
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The ECtHR will consider a trial unfair if any evidence in the trial has obtained by torture (violation of Article 3). ECtHR defines torture as ill-treatment having a certain level of severity, often such that physical signs detectable by medical examination are detectable within a reasonable period after it occurs (my interpretation). Mistreatment of a less severe nature, but which can result in feelings of powerlessness or humiliation, which may be used to coerce statements, may fall under the category of "inhuman or degrading treatment" (also a violation of Article 3).

CASE OF LEVINTA v. MOLDOVA 17332/03 16/12/2008

Summary: The two Levinta brothers were arrested in Russia at the request of Moldovan authorities, and they were delivered to the Moldovan police. The brothers were tortured to the extent that at least one required emergency medical treatment. The aim of the torture was to get them to confess to being part of a gang involved in a series of murders or attempted murders. They were denied lawyers during a period of several days during the initial torture. One or more of the lawyers was allegedly threatened by the police. The brothers were not allowed to meet privately with their lawyers during the first days that the brothers were in custody.

An excerpt from the Court's judgment:

101. The Court refers to its finding that the applicants were ill-treated on 4 November 2000 (see paragraphs 71 and 92 above) with the purpose of extracting confessions from them and that that ill-treatment amounted to torture. In view of its findings below, the Court considers that it is not necessary to examine the applicants’ submission that they were subjected to further ill-treatment in the period between 4 and 8 November 2000, submissions which they could not substantiate due to the absence of a proper investigation into these allegations (see paragraph 92 above).

102. The Court has found that, following their ill-treatment on 4 November 2000 and after proof thereof was obtained on 5 November 2000, the authorities knowingly left the applicants under the full control of those who had ill-treated them. It has found that that in itself amounted to a continuation of ill-treatment in breach of Article 3 (see paragraphs 71-75 above).

103. The applicants made a number of self-incriminating statements on 7 and 8 November 2000, in which they fully recognised their guilt in having committed the crimes with which they were charged. The Court refers to its finding (see paragraph 73 above) that they did not have any contact with their lawyers in the period of 4-8 November 2000 and that they made their initial statements without benefiting from legal advice.

104. The Court considers that the statements obtained from the applicants in such circumstances, following their torture and while being deprived of any support from their lawyers (aside from their intervention on 4 November 2000) and faced with a total lack of reaction by the authorities to their lawyers’ complaints (see paragraph 83 above), fall within the category of statements which should never be admissible in criminal proceedings since use of such evidence would make such proceedings unfair as a whole, regardless of whether the courts also relied on other evidence (see paragraph 100 above).

105. Since the applicants in the present case have been subjected to torture, the Court considers it unnecessary to determine the extent to which the domestic courts relied on evidence obtained as a result and whether such evidence had been determinant to the applicants’ conviction. The mere fact that the domestic courts actually relied on evidence obtained as a result of torture rendered the entire trial unfair.

106. In such circumstances, there has been a violation of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention.
It could be a sensible experiment for Machiavelli or Griffinmill or Vibio, or indeed Machine or Fly by night, Peter Quennell etc to strike their twenty year old daughter in the head from behind without forewarning.
They are entitled to do so with the same legal authority as the police in Perugia.

ETA statiscally 80% of people have, have had, or will have a 20 year old daughter.
 
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Proper interpretation of law

The code, in fact, says exactly the contrary of what you claim. With the exception of that evidence that is explicitly prohibited by the law, the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant.
Obviously the concept of "relevant" refers to the trial, that is it is usually different between a first instance trial and an appeal. It may be harder to introduce pieces of evidence on appeal which would require to re-discuss previous evidence, and make them look "relevant".

This is an extraordinary response even by your standards. You refer to my 'claim' with regard to Italian law being the opposite of what the law is. It is not my claim; I have merely stated the provisions in the law, which are in stark contrast to what you say and what you have been saying.

Consider, the baffling contradiction in your post - one sentence directly contradicting the previous one:

"the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant."

I also quoted further from Article 190, as follows:

"Decisions concerning the admission of evidence may be revoked after hearing the parties." You chose not to comment on this or indeed on the articles I reproduced.

These rules of evidence cover both what should not be admitted but also what should be admitted.

So, the onus is now on you to explain why, given these provisions, a court should be permitted to refuse to order the testing and to admit the results of the presumed semen sample between Ms Kercher's legs, given the sexual element of the crime. Similarly, you must now agree, presumably that the electronic data files should have been admitted into evidence. Or, alternatively, explain why this evidence, the semen and the files, is "manifestly superfluous or irrelevant."
 
This is an extraordinary response even by your standards. You refer to my 'claim' with regard to Italian law being the opposite of what the law is. It is not my claim; I have merely stated the provisions in the law, which are in stark contrast to what you say and what you have been saying.

Consider, the baffling contradiction in your post - one sentence directly contradicting the previous one:

"the judge has no discretion power to dismiss or prevent the admission of evidence. The refusal to admit may only be reserved to evidence that is manifestly superfluous or irrelevant."

I also quoted further from Article 190, as follows:

"Decisions concerning the admission of evidence may be revoked after hearing the parties." You chose not to comment on this or indeed on the articles I reproduced.

These rules of evidence cover both what should not be admitted but also what should be admitted.

So, the onus is now on you to explain why, given these provisions, a court should be permitted to refuse to order the testing and to admit the results of the presumed semen sample between Ms Kercher's legs, given the sexual element of the crime. Similarly, you must now agree, presumably that the electronic data files should have been admitted into evidence. Or, alternatively, explain why this evidence, the semen and the files, is "manifestly superfluous or irrelevant."

While some may believe Mach is resorting to double-talk in these responses, to give Mach the benefit of the doubt, the statements he/she/they provides are most likely accurately reflecting de facto law in Italy. De facto, the prosecution gets to admit or withhold any information it wishes, and the defense gets to admit only the information that the prosecution allows it to. This is based on the Italian translation of "adversarial" and "equality of arms" as determined, of course, by the prosecution's official translator.
 
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