P.S.A. said:
And this is one of the reasons I stopped posting in Politics; I got tired of trying to argue objective realities with people who could only understand their own subjective impressions of the world... interpretations which would usually prove completely hypocritical or foolish by the next paragraph anyway.
Like the above; if there are "other cultural factors" involved, then you admit that it's not "only through multiple partners outside of marriage that AIDS spreads en-masse", is it?
The sole cultural factor you claimed: "It's one of the greatest evils of the AIDS crisis in Africa that the very means by which traditional societies have always increased their wealth is the one that's now killing them en-masse."
In other words, the desire to increase their wealth by having more children is what is killing them en masse. That is pure bunk. If you can't understand that I was pointing out the more likely factors, rather than the one you claimed, then by all means continue digging that hole.
And what's more, do I have to sit here now and explain to you that if one of those "cultural factors", not just in Africa but in all pre-industrial societies, is that people marry young and produce big families fast that this might be one of the ways in which AIDS is spread "en-masse"?
Ah,
one of the ways. Sure. Somewhere way down on the list maybe.
Like, to their children perhaps? Children who, with no education at all, let alone the ability to diagnose early Immune Deficiency, might be married and breeding themselves before they actually succumb to the disease?
Are the children who are born with AIDS born through marriagae or out of wedlock? Any idea what the percentages are? Your attempt to tie childhood AIDS to the "increasing of weath" is based on an assumption.
Do I have to sit down and patiently walk you through all the ways in which AIDS can be transmitted without sexual contact at all, and how it just has to get into ONE monogamous relationship by any of those means to then reap the harvest of resulting children from a "Traditional Family" "en-masse"?
I know all the methods by which AIDS is transmitted. And so do you, I'm sure. So why don't we have a comparable epidemic of AIDS in the U.S.? What are the primary cultural differences? Do you really think it is because they are more married and having more children than we are?!? Do you think it has anything to do with marriage at all, outside of the lack or absence of marriage?
AIDS in children is secondary. What is the primary AIDS vehicle? The adults. How are they getting it? By screwing to have kids? You must be joking.
Oh, I don't deny that the primary source of infection in Africa at present is sexual encounters rather than infection at Birth. But then, I'm also talking to someone whom I seem to recall has had a number of failed monogamous relationships himself. And I in turn owe my existance to a second marriage which failed because of my fathers antics with my mother in his first. Infidelity isn't just a feature of Africa now, is it? You might wish human nature was different, but it's not...
Again, so why don't we have a comparable AIDS epidemic in the U.S.?
And children in this country know what drugs will do to them, but they still do drugs. Drive to fast? You betcha! Smoking and risk of cancer? Feh, we say! And how many times were you married again Luke? You knew what relationships were like, and yet you still got involved again, yes?
And I suffered the consequences of my behavior and learned from them. And my brother suffered the consequences of his behavior and died from AIDS.
No, I'm not racist. And I'm not blaming the Bush Administration or the Catholic Church for causing AIDS. The HIV virus does that. But they are exaserbating the crisis by putting ideology before pragatism. In the Bush Administrations case, by linking AIDS funding to abstinence programs which don't work even in America, it's spiritual home, much less a land so wedding to manhood as you've tried to show... It's simple enough to google up; just do a search for "Bush Administration Abstinence AIDS Africa", and enjoy the enormous numbers of people active in the field of AIDS prevention complaining about how counter productive such policies are. Christian Aid and CAFOD amongst them, both of whom I've fund raised for. And then there's the White Houses' squalid attempts to disrupt production of cheap generic retrovirals in South Africa and Brazil due to pressure from Big Pharma...
Blah, blah, blah. Still blaming Bush and the Church.
Perhaps you missed the fact that recommending condoms doesn't work in Africa either. So anyone who recommends condoms in Africa is exacerbating the problem, too, right?
If someone chooses to ignore advice that is guaranteed to save their life (abstain from sex outside of monogamous marriage), and then acquired AIDS, whose fault is that?
If everyone abstained from sex outside of marriage, would AIDS stop? Yes. In its tracks. There's your cure right there.
What is exacerbating the problem is the idea that sex outside of marriage is to be expected. It is unrealistic to think people will use condoms. (edited to add: See below for what I am talking about.)