Ebola in America

Belz... said:
Having your seatbelt on limits your mobility. Can we stop nitpicking, here ? The question here is about the likelihood of it happening.
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No, that is not the question. The question is whether or not appropriate actions were taken. Meadmaker claimed that results were all that mattered, and that actions taken are irrelevant. You are not even trying to defend his claim. You are yourself merely engaged in nitpicking.
 
Belz... said:
How do you determine if the actions are appropriate without knowing how likely it is to be a problem ?
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Was telling that nurse it was OK to fly an appropriate action?

Well, aren't they ?
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No, they aren't. If you take an unnecessary risk, it doesn't become acceptable to have done so just because you get lucky. That was the point of my analogy, a point which you have studiously attempted to ignore.
 
Ziggurat said:
Was telling that nurse it was OK to fly an appropriate action?
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You are dancing all over the place.

No, they aren't. If you take an unnecessary risk, it doesn't become acceptable to have done so just because you get lucky. That was the point of my analogy, a point which you have studiously attempted to ignore.
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Please refrain from making claims about what I think.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, Belz. You simply aren't paying attention.
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What an easy and empty retort. You were discussing Obama's response to the crisis. Someone pointed out that no one died except the guy who came back from Africa, and then you went on to talk about seatbelts. I was pointing out the problems with your analogy, and now you're talking about the nurse.

Maybe you're not paying attention to what you type.

I go where the evidence leads.
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No. You go to where you interpret the evidence to lead. This isn't physics.
 
Belz... said:
What an easy and empty retort. You were discussing Obama's response to the crisis. Someone pointed out that no one died except the guy who came back from Africa, and then you went on to talk about seatbelts. I was pointing out the problems with your analogy, and now you're talking about the nurse.
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Like I said, you aren't paying attention.

Meadmaker did more than pointing out nobody had died. He established what he evidently considered to be the relevant standard for evaluation: if nobody died, then Obama is doing an excellent job. The entire point of my analogy, which you continue to fail to grasp, is that his standard for evaluation is wrong, and obviously so. Obama and more directly the CDC can be doing the wrong thing even if nobody dies. The nurse is directly relevant to this standard which Meadmaker tried to establish because even though nobody might have been infected by the nurse flying while sick (though we don't know even that for sure yet), it was still the wrong thing to do. The fact that you didn't understand the relevance of this specific example of a more general principle is, as I said, because you were not paying attention.

I suggest you start paying attention.
 
That darn Obama doing nothing and not telling anyone what's going on!

The Obama administration has announced America’s first Ebola-related travel restrictions, forcing passengers originating from affected countries in west Africa to fly via US airports with screening procedures in place.

The limited move comes after days of mounting political pressure to introduce outright travel bans on such passengers entering the US, but will instead make sure all recent travellers to Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea are subject to basic tests for fever and face questioning on possible exposure to the disease.
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ETA: Totally wrong link. will fix below.
 
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Belz... said:
I know that this was the point of the analogy
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And yet, nothing you wrote previously revealed that you possessed this knowledge, nor did you actually address the actual point of the analogy. Nor have you even touched upon Meadmaker's claim about the relevant standard for evaluating performance.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yeah, that's pretty damned close to nothing. What screening measures are in place at these airports? Why, the same screening measures which have already proven inadequate: a simple temperature measurement. Wow. I'm super-impressed by this security theater.
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Wrong.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yeah, that's pretty damned close to nothing. What screening measures are in place at these airports? Why, the same screening measures which have already proven inadequate: a simple temperature measurement.

Wow. I'm super-impressed by this security theater.
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And I know you didn't even bother to click on the link because I posted the wrong one!

correct link
 
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Biscuit said:
And I know you didn't even bother to click on the link because I posted the wrong one!

correct link
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You're correct, I didn't click on the link. So what? I'm familiar with the story, because your link isn't the only source. As for me being wrong about the screening, your link doesn't contradict me. The test for a fever is a simple temperature measurement. Yes, they will also be asked questions, and I didn't specifically mention that aspect. But we know that's inadequate too. Duncan faced questions about Ebola exposure on his exit from Liberia, and that did nothing to stop him. I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not he knew he had been exposed, but either way, the questions aren't enough.

Note also that this change in policy is basically an admission that their previous position (no flight restrictions at all) was insufficient, and that their response is haphazard and PR-driven. If this is your attempt to prove competence on the part of the administration, it's not succeeding.
 
Biscuit said:
Wrong.
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What other measures are being taken besides temperature and a few questions? I see no mention of anything in the article you posted.

In response the above post, it does?

All five airports will now be required to specially screen passengers whose trips originated in any of those three countries and to submit passengers to "added protocols, including having their temperature taken," Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said in a release on Tuesday.
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