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Moderated JFK conspiracy theories: it never ends III

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Where in the article do I find evidence of Mark Lane "plain lying"?

Here you go:

In the late 1970s, as a lawyer for Martin Luther King, Jr.’s assassin, James Earl Ray, Lane appeared before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), a congressional probe into the Lanecircumstances surrounding the separate assassinations of the civil rights leader and President Kennedy. HSCA said of Lane in its report, “Many of the allegations of conspiracy that the committee investigated were first raised by Mark Lane . . . . As has been noted, the facts were often at variance with Lane's assertions . . . . Lane was willing to advocate conspiracy theories publicly without having checked the factual basis for them . . . . . Lane's conduct resulted in public misperception about the assassination of Dr. King and must be condemned.”[9]

With the publication of his latest book Lane’s modus operandi has clearly not changed. In fact, his new tome depends on readers’ ignorance, and no independent knowledge of the dramatis personae of the assassination literature or how the CIA behaved at the time of the assassination. For example, the author of the book’s introduction resurrects the myth that FBI agents listened to a tape recording of a “Lee Oswald” at the Soviet embassy during the assassin’s trip to Mexico City weeks before the assassination. The allegation that such a tape existed was debunked many years ago by HSCA. The story of the existence of tapes had originated with only one FBI agent out of many who handled the transcripts of the tapes because the tapes had been copied over as per the CIA’s usual procedures. [10]

And Further:

Central to Lane’s the-CIA-did-it thesis is his chapter entitled “The Indictment—The People of the United States v. the Central Intelligence Agency.” It is a regurgitation of his endlessly voiced but unproven vociferations that the CIA was not only at the center of a conspiracy to murder President Kennedy but that Watergate burglar and former CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, along with others, had been part of the plot.

His publishers promote the book by proclaiming Lane had successfully persuaded a jury that the CIA killed Kennedy. On the inside book flap they loudly state, “Mark Lane has tried the only case in the history of America . . . in which jurors concluded that the CIA killed President Kennedy.” In fact, the jury concluded nothing of the sort.

Lane’s story about CIA involvement in the assassination begins with a 1976 article published in an anti-Semitic magazine, Spotlight, which alleged that CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, one of the Watergate burglars, was in Dallas on 22 November 1963. The article, written by Victor Marchetti, a former CIA official, alleged Hunt had a role in the Kennedy assassination. The allegation had its origins in a photograph taken at the time of the assassination which purported to show three mysterious tramps in the railroad yards behind the infamous Book Depository being taken into custody by the Dallas police. One of the tramps bore a resemblance to Hunt. It was not until the 1980s and the release of Dallas Police files that the tramps were identified and they had nothing to do with the assassination.[15]

Hunt won a libel judgment against the magazine in 1981, but it was thrown out on appeal, and the case was re-tried in 1985 in Miami in a civil, not criminal, trial. Hunt lost his case but the jury decision, with the exception of one juror, was based not on their belief that Hunt was a participant in a CIA plot to kill the president but on the fact there was not “actual malice” (a principle of law established by a 1964 Supreme Court ruling) in the magazine’s publication of the article, not that the article was necessarily true. When a “public figure” like E. Howard Hunt is attacked in the media, he cannot win a libel judgment merely by showing that the attack is “untrue and unfair.”

Lane claims the jurors accepted his premise that the CIA was responsible for murdering the president. Lane wrote, “The evidence was clear, she [jury forewoman Leslie Armstrong] said. The CIA had killed President Kennedy. Hunt had been part of it, and that evidence, so painstakingly presented should now be examined by the relevant institutions of the United States trial government so that those responsible for the assassination might be brought to justice.”[16]

However, two of the jurors told the Miami Herald they did not believe Lane had proven that Hunt was a co-conspirator. Suzanne Reach said that the jury’s verdict was “absolutely not” the reason for the verdict. “We were very disgusted and felt (the article) was trash”, she said, “. . . . The paper published material that was sloppy – but it wasn’t malicious.” While Lane avoids literally telling lies in his book, he uses the same convoluted expositions he used before the Miami jury to persuade his readers that Hunt was indeed guilty of conspiring to kill the president.[17]

Lane trades on the sound presumption that the vast majority of his readers have no way of knowing what he’s doing. In the Lane tradition of carefully concealing from his readers any information that might undermine his thesis, he portrays Hunt as having only two alibi witnesses at the trial, and denigrates these because they were CIA employees. But in fact there were three CIA employees who testified at the trial, and three witnesses (two of Hunt's children and a domestic) who swore to the 1974 Rockefeller Commission that Hunt was in the Washington area, and not in Dallas, on the day of the assassination.[18]


There's more, but I believe readers can go to the link to see the rest.
 
Here you go:

In the late 1970s, as a lawyer for Martin Luther King, Jr.’s assassin, James Earl Ray, Lane appeared ...

Before we continue, why are you quoting statements regarding the MLK assassination, when the issue is ...
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... Mark Lane just plain lies about the testimony to the WCR.
What is the connection between The Warren Commission and the trial against James Earl Ray?
 
Before we continue, why are you quoting statements regarding the MLK assassination...

Because the House Select Committee on Assassinations re-opened the investigations of the murders of both King and Kennedy, both of which Lane wrote about. In discussing his writings in both cases, they committee had cause to reject his credibility on the grounds given -- e.g., that he did not sufficiently fact-check his claims.

What is the connection between The Warren Commission and the trial against James Earl Ray?

Both were later investigated by a committee that had cause to question Lane's credibility in both cases. Hence an excerpt pertaining to both cases is presented to show that Lane's misbehavior was pervasive.

The issue is whether Mark Lane is a credible reporter. The evidence shows he is not.
 
No, the issue (that I raised) is where I can find evidence for this...

Then you probably shouldn't have confused people by saying later: "Where in the article do I find evidence of Mark Lane 'plain lying'?"

Note that you dropped the qualification. Granted BStrong may have something different in mind than I Ratant did, but there's something you should clear up.
 
Then you probably shouldn't have confused people by saying later: "Where in the article do I find evidence of Mark Lane 'plain lying'?"

Note that you dropped the qualification. Granted BStrong may have something different in mind than I Ratant did, but there's something you should clear up.
I did not drop the qualification "... about the testimony to the WCR"
Mark Lane just plain lies about the testimony to the WCR.
... it's implicit from the start and given the context. Now, where do I find the evidence that support:
Mark Lane just plain lies about the testimony to the WCR.
... and no, I can¨t find anything in BStrong's article.

Can you?
 
Why not just quote it?

Because I prefer that you read the statements in context, so that I can avoid being accused of cherry-picking. I've told you where to start reading. If you can't find the references to Lane's dishonesty over Warren Commission testimony in that first paragraph, I really can't help you further.
 
Here's one from his wikipedia page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_(author)

Lane provided testimony to the Warren Commission in Washington, D.C. on March 4, 1964.[10] Lane testified that he had contacted witness Helen Markham sometime within the five days preceding his appearance before the Commission and that she had described Tippit's killer to him as "short, a little on the heavy side, and his hair was somewhat bushy".[11] He added, "I think it is fair to state that an accurate description of Oswald would be average height, quite slender with thin and receding hair."[11]

In addressing the speculation that Markham's description of Tippet's killer was not consistent with the appearance of Oswald, the Warren Commission stated that they had reviewed the telephone transcript in which she was alleged to have made it.[12][13] The Commission wrote: "A review of the complete transcript has satisfied the Commission that Mrs. Markham strongly reaffirmed her positive identification of Oswald and denied having described the killer as short, stocky and having bushy hair."[14]
 
This story could just as easily be evidence of Markham lying, or whichever person created this alleged transcript, or whoever represented the WC reading the transcript.

Or perhaps whoever created the wikipedia entry.

Which of all the possible explanations is more likely, and why?
 
This story could just as easily be evidence of Markham lying, or whichever person created this alleged transcript, or whoever represented the WC reading the transcript.

Or perhaps whoever created the wikipedia entry.

Feel free to check the sources at the bottom of the wiki page.
 
John Kaplan, 'The Assassins' (1966):

"The problem is that if the reader (as, of course, few readers do) begins to check the assertions in Rush to Judgment against the evidence, he will find again and again that he has been expertly gulled."

This remark introduces many pages on Lane's distortions.
 
Alleged distortions and dishonesty, but still, no plain lies.

Read the essay (available in two places in JSTOR and anthologised in The Historian as Detective: Essays on Evidence). Or read Bugliosi's chapter on Lane in Reclaiming History.

I'll try to explain one more time that 'just plain' is a modifying phrase, in this case modifying the English verb 'lies', so your repeated reference to 'plain lies' minus the 'just' misreads the original sentence entirely. The issue is whether Mark Lane has lied about the WC and evidence of the JFK assassination.

The answer is yes, as shown by among others Kaplan and Bugliosi. This is alongside quote-mining, cherry-picking, serial omission, putting words in people's mouths and numerous other sins of commission and omission that are generally regarded as severely dishonest. Neither I nor others around here would believe him if he said the sky is blue, that's how untrustworthy Lane is re: the JFK assassination.
 
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html Page 167

At about 4:30 p.m., Mrs. Markham, who had been greatly upset by her experience, was able to view a lineup of four men handcuffed together at the police station. 519 She identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man who shot the policeman.520 Detective L. C. Graves, who had been with Mrs. Markham before the lineup testified that she was "quite hysterical" and was "crying and upset." 521 He said that Mrs. Markham started crying when Oswald walked into the lineup room. 522 In testimony before the Commission, Mrs. Markham confirmed her positive identification of Lee Harvey Oswald as the man she saw kill Officer Tippit. 523

Mark Lane lied about what she said. That makes him a liar
 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/lane1.txt

Mr. Lane. But, well, just, could you just give me one moment and
tell me. I read that you told some of the reporters that he was
short, stocky, and had bushy hair.

Mrs. Markham. No, no. I did not say this.

Mr. Lane. You did not say that?

Mrs. Markham. No, sir.

Mr. Lane. Did you say that he was short and a little bit on the
heavy side and had slightly bushy hair?

Mrs. Markham. Uh, no, I did not. They didn't ask me that.

Mr. Lane. Yes, and did you say that the man who shot, did you tell
the officers that the man who shot Tippit had bushy hair?

Mrs. Markham. Uh, no, I did not.
 
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