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Michael Brown Shooting

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Skeptic Ginger said:
As for the 3 witnesses all lacking credibility, I imagine if you assume every black person is going to lie in these circumstances because they are circling the wagons against the cops, then you might decide that. Where as "Josie" sounded white and was a friend of the white guy so she's clearly credible. :rolleyes:
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TRANSLATION: "You're a racist!"
 
GWCarver said:
I recall someone saying CNN reported processing the crime scene was delayed by shots fired around 2 pm. I know the New York Times says the St. Louis County Police arrived at around 1:30 pm and "Gunshots were heard at the scene, further disrupting the officers’ work."


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...ys-timeline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html
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pakeha said:
Don't we have several witness accounts of this assault?
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We currently know of none. [ . . . ]
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Are you quite sure of that?


newyorkguy said:
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, Wilson could have acted out of anger, making mistakes. That's not anything close to "insane". I believe Brown could have fought the cop through the car window, also a mistake, reactive self defense and not insane. What's insane is Brown charging at Wilson who had a gun drawn. It's much less likely that happened than Brown was giving up and getting down on the ground.
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That was mentioned. That Wilson blew his fuse because Brown had put his hands on him, possibly punched him in the eye, possibly tried to grab his gun, and he got out of the car and shot Brown down. That's pretty much what the eyewitnesses have said happened. I'm not sure how the police are going to be able to prove something different. But experience tells me in these kinds of cases the police officer usually, not always, but usually walks.

I go all the way back to a case in Brooklyn where a cop was accused of killing an unarmed teenaged car thief by shooting him in the back. His own partner testified against him and he still walked! [ . . . ]
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10176274&postcount=2213
 
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pakeha said:
Are you quite sure of that?




http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10176274&postcount=2213
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We only have a few known witnesses at this time. The first, Dorion Johnson, claims that Wilson tried to pull Brown through his car window, and Brown tried to pull away. The second, Tiffany Mitchell, corroborates his claim, as does the third, Piaget Crenshaw. The fourth, Michael Brady, claims to see "tussling" through the window. The fifth, Emanual Freeman didn't see the start of what happened, apparently, so he's got nothing on this. The sixth is a guy who had spoken with Brown before he left for the store, and he also did not see the start of the altercation. There are other people at the scene discussing the shooting, but they are unknown, so we don't actually know if they witnessed anything at all, purple monkey dishwasher. Wilson's has wisely not stated anything to the public, and his incident report to the FPD contains no details - probably because the FPD is not investigating the incident.
 
If this is a recording of the shooting, any thoughts as to why the first shot from within the car doesn't show up on the audio? The witness accounts and the police accounts seem pretty consistent on that point. I suppose the shot could have been muffled by the car.
 
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boooeee said:
If this is a recording of the shooting, any thoughts as to why the first shot from within the car doesn't show up on the audio? The witness accounts and the police accounts seem pretty consistent on that point. I suppose the shot could have been muffled by the car.
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The first shot on the recording is only 1 second into the recording, so any shots before that didn't make it in the mix...
 
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Could it be two different guns that are close, but in two different places, and completely unrelated to the Brown shooting, other than possibly being the later reported gunfire?
Six shots fired from one gun.
Four shots return fire from the other.
That would explain the tonal differences between the first six and following four.
Possible?
Unless I've missed where the audio has been 100% confirmed as that of Officer Wilson's weapon. Has that happened?
 
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Mike! said:
Could it be two different guns, and completely unrelated to the Brown shooting, other than possibly being the later reported gunfire?
Six shots fired.
Four shots return fire?
Unless I've missed where the audio has been 100% confirmed as that of Officer Wilson's weapon. Has that happened?
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It could be lots of things, including a recording of the incident.

I have heard that the officer's SUV skidded to a stop, making a loud squealing noise. Wherever Tiffany Mitchell was, the tire squealing attracted her attention.

Yet we don't hear that on the recording.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
That's an interesting theory. How did it work out for Michael Dunn ?
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On the murder charge? Pretty good. He was acquitted using the exact defensive strategy Skeptic Ginger described.

And the "black people are intrinsically violent and terrifying" meme seems to be enjoying quite a bit of success in this thread by people who have yet to explain how Brown's robbery and assault of Wilson informs what happened when he was some 20 - 30 feet away and running in the other direction.
 
I'm finding it difficult to believe that Tiffany did not record the shooting. She says she pulled out her phone to record, but then the shooting started.

Wilson and Brown ran well away from where she was parked, not towards her.

And Wilson's SUV should have been between her and Wilson/Brown.

It's too bad she did not use her phone.

We apparently could have had video of most of the incident.

If she had just started it recording and ducked, we'd have verified audio if the incident.
 
johnny karate said:
On the murder charge? Pretty good. He was acquitted using the exact defensive strategy Skeptic Ginger described.

And the "black people are intrinsically violent and terrifying" meme seems to be enjoying quite a bit of success in this thread by people who have yet to explain how Brown's robbery and assault of Wilson informs what happened when he was some 20 - 30 feet away and running in the other direction.
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IIRC, there was a hung jury on the murder charge.

He will be tried again on that.

They thought about not bothering to try him again because of the length of the sentence he already has for the 3 attempted murder charges.

Dunn will serve a very long time anyway, even without the new murder trial.
 
johnny karate said:
On the murder charge? Pretty good. He was acquitted using the exact defensive strategy Skeptic Ginger described.

And the "black people are intrinsically violent and terrifying" meme seems to be enjoying quite a bit of success in this thread by people who have yet to explain how Brown's robbery and assault of Wilson informs what happened when he was some 20 - 30 feet away and running in the other direction.
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I'd say the only way the two are related is if the officer heard a radio report in the unaccounted for time prior to the shooting.

Either that or Mike-Mike felt so badly about his crime that he spontaneously confessed. Doesn't seem likely though.
 
Is it just me or are there people on this board who are a half step from peeing their pants in anticipation of getting to call someone a racist?
 
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