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Now it's grown to "Wilson beaten nearly unconscious." Guess someone is looking at the Zimmerman walk.

Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson Beaten Nearly Unconscious, Suffered Eye Socket Fracture Before Shooting Michael Brown

suffered severe facial injuries and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
"They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."
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Now it's "they" and Brown leans in and starts beating Wilson.

Wonder why the other half of "they" wasn't charged?

So come on skeptics, tell me this is credible even though none of this came out when the chief said he had a swelling to the side of the face and Wilson is walking around the crime scene in the videos with no serious injury apparent?

I just want people to admit they totally lack skepticism here, these reports are as credible as sightings of Bigfoot.
 
MattusMaximus said:
So, if one nurse in your ward starts popping pills from the pharmacy, that means you'll do it, too?
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No, that's not a good analogy for what I was talking about.

How many different places have you worked? I used to change jobs about once a year. I saw a lot of unit personalities. If everyone got along, new people got along. If everyone bitched about the night shift, or the peds unit, new people hired soon began to bitch about the night shift or the peds unit.

If it's common for cops in one department to hate young black men, the newly hired cop will soon adopt the same attitude. It's human nature. If cops commonly get creative with the truth, new hires are soon going to see the same as acceptable.

Those Ferguson cops that beat up that innocent man they wrongly arrested acted together and lied together about what happened, did they not? I think there were four of them.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I don't believe anyone, including police officers, have the right to take the life of another human being.. But they may find themselves in the position where they determine it is the best course of action.

I could kill someone if I felt it was in my best interest to do so, but not necessarily be able to justify it..

It is sort of like capital punishment (which I do not approve of either), without all the bother of due process.

However, I can't say that Wilson acted with malice, and in that regard he may not be technically guilty of a crime..

He may not be morally guilty either, if in his mind he was fulfilling his sworn duty. Only he can know the answer to that ..
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What about door number three, he lost his temper?
 
Prosecutors have not spoken to Darren Wilson yet

Prosecutors have not been in direct contact with Wilson yet, Magee said. McCulloch has been in touch with Wilson’s attorney but has not spoken to Wilson himself.

Wilson will be given an opportunity to appear before the grand jury, but he cannot be compelled to appear, Magee said.

Prosecutors began presenting evidence to the St. Louis County grand jury on Wednesday. McCulloch said Wednesday that it could be mid-October before all of the evidence is presented, noting that not all of it is ready yet.
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Regarding Wilson's medical records:

Magee said that prosecutors have not received any medical records relating to Wilson so far. ​But he said that since Wilson was taken to the hospital, they assume there are medical records and they just haven’t received them yet.

A family friend of Wilson’s told The Washington Post that Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket. Ferguson police have said that Wilson’s face was injured and he needed medical treatment, but they did not go into any detail. On Wednesday night, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles III told Fox News that he could not confirm reports that Wilson suffered a fractured eye bone.
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Mike! said:
I think it's safe to assume all nurses are pill popping fiends, don't you? ;)
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Not all nurses, there are some good ones you know. It's just part of the general " nurse- life " culture. Evan the ones who don't have a proclivity towards it are prone to emulate the ones who do so they are not regarded as being potential snitches.


Seriously, how long will posters in this thread continue to use an argument that relies upon the premise that people of some particular subset of the population are just naturally prone to being evil.
Are they that tone deaf to the logical extension of that?
Or is it a " false flag " type of argument, wherein, if they continually dig up things that paint policemen in a poor light someone will eventually take them up on it and post some of the numerous examples of young black men acting like thugs- then they can shout " racism!- I win"
 
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a_unique_person said:
Are you dating that because he preformed a robbery he deserved to die?
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I think he's "dating" that because he performed a robbery it's reasonable to include "Brown initiated a violent confrontation" in the list of narratives that we should consider.

Do you disagree?

ETA: Put it another way. Brown may have deserved to die for all sorts of reasons (though I wouldn't include robbery among them). But the only reason that really matters here is if he gave Wilson reason to fear for his life. Do you believe, based on the evidence currently available, that we should even consider that possibility?
 
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a_unique_person said:
No one here had ever said that.
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Accurate.

That came from early reports of Mr. Brown being a good " kid ", gentle giant, and overall innocent on his way to better himself through education. That made it seem particularly tragic that he had been shot, and inexplicable as to why he would have been. That's where we were when the thread began. Many eager to jump on the " racist cop murders kid for no reason other than walking while black "bandwagon .
The surveillance tape dropped a huge bomb on that narrative, and pulled any reasonable justification for a riot out from under.
Unfortunately, once committed to that narrative, many are still finding its dissolution difficult to accept.
 
theprestige said:
I think he's "dating" that because he performed a robbery it's reasonable to include "Brown initiated a violent confrontation" in the list of narratives that we should consider.

Do you disagree?

ETA: Put it another way. Brown may have deserved to die for all sorts of reasons (though I wouldn't include robbery among them). But the only reason that really matters here is if he gave Wilson reason to fear for his life. Do you believe, based on the evidence currently available, that we should even consider that possibility?
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If you accept the rumor that Wilson got his eye punched in, then certainly we can consider the possibility that Wilson feared for his life as Brown turned and came towards him.

If you can't accept that as a possibility, you are so biased that you don't belong an a skeptic's forum.

Shooting at the back of a fleeing subject is possible too, and legal under the circumstances.
 
casebro said:
If you accept the rumor that Wilson got his eye punched in, then certainly we can consider the possibility that Wilson feared for his life as Brown turned and came towards him.

If you can't accept that as a possibility, you are so biased that you don't belong an a skeptic's forum.
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I don't accept the rumor, but I think we can consider the possibility anyway. Is that acceptable, or should I cancel my membership?

Shooting at the back of a fleeing subject is possible too, and legal under the circumstances.
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A lot of things are possible. I'm willing to consider many of them.
 
Sounds like there's a new witness telling his story on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. Says the same things as the other witnesses, but also says Wilson was at least 20 feet from Brown when he fired all those final shots. If so, how does this square with what Wilson claims? How can Brown he "charging" him from so far away? I think the final autopsy will tell more of the story, but since we know that Brown had no GSR on him, that sort of precludes being within 3-5 feet of the gun for any of the shots.

ETA: Video won't be available until tomorrow, so I can't link to the new witness.
 
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Unabogie said:
Says the same things as the other witnesses, but also says Wilson was at least 20 feet from Brown when he fired all those final shots. If so, how does this square with what Wilson claims? How can Brown he "charging" him from so far away?
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That question is hard to understand. Brown is at some distance and begins charging at Wilson and the distance decreases. That's the meaning of the word at in this context -- as opposed to, say, away where the distance would increase.
 
Unabogie said:
Sounds like there's a new witness telling his story on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. Says the same things as the other witnesses, but also says Wilson was at least 20 feet from Brown when he fired all those final shots. If so, how does this square with what Wilson claims? How can Brown he "charging" him from so far away? I think the final autopsy will tell more of the story, but since we know that Brown had no GSR on him, that sort of precludes being within 3-5 feet of the gun for any of the shots.

ETA: Video won't be available until tomorrow, so I can't link to the new witness.
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20 feet is not all that far away, and be covered very quickly by an average man. Did the interviewer ask this person if they had made this statement to the police?

As for the GSR, I am not aware that the results of any tests done on Mr. Browns' clothing have been released, or leaked. Perhaps they have, obviously, and I just haven't seen them. Have you?
 
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Distracted1 said:
20 feet is not all that far away, and be covered very quicklime by an average man. Did the interviewer ask this person if they had made this statement to the police?

As for the GSR, I am not aware that the results of any tests done on Mr. Browns' clothing have been released, or leaked. Perhaps they have, obviously, and I just haven't seen them. Have you?
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No, but he didn't have it on his hands or body, that we know. I agree we need more info, but this witness's interview matches the forensics so far.

As for twenty feet not being far away, we know that it was Wilson covering that ground, not Brown. We also know that Brown had already been shot once and was running away, even by Wilson's alleged story. The only part in dispute is that Wilson claims Brown turned and ran back towards him, but there were at least 4 witnesses, maybe more, and none of them agree with this.

Don't you find it incredible that Wilson was allowed to leave town without so much as writing any of this down? I'm still floored by the fact that there's no incident report from him. Also speculation, but isn't it possible he did file an incident report but it's been "lost" because it was unhelpful to him? I don't find the Ferguson PD at all credible, and judging by their behavior the last two weeks, they seem capable of all kinds of things we wouldn't expect from professionals.
 
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