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Michael Brown Shooting

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theprestige said:
The recent talk about the bonus autopsy reminds me that I meant to comment on this post:



It seems to me that finding the most prominent and famous ME is suboptimal. Ideally you'd want the most competent, disinterested ME in the country. Somehow I doubt that MEs become famous for being really consistently good at their job, rather than being lucky enough to catch a few high-profile cases and good enough at PR to gain celebrity status as a result.

When I read that someone hired the most famous ME, my conclusion is that they're not looking for quality forensic medicine, they're looking for quality forensic PR. Why not hire the best ME? For that matter, why not just hire any competent ME? For that matter, what was wrong with the competence of the ME that did the first autopsy?
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Baden did a freebie for them. Though I suspect he might be in cahoots with the NYT, who 'leaked' the results ASAP..
 
Unabogie said:
Huh. So maybe that kind of injury is not serious enough to warrant...you know... six bullets.
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I don't know. I wasn't there so I am not going to speculate on that.

I was taking issue with the claims of that type of injury incapacitates you which it absolutely does not.

At least in my experience. I found out mine was broken when I went to the doctor the next day or maybe it was 2 days later actually because I sneezed and my nose started bleeding and wouldn't quit bleeding. It had also broken a sinus canal, hence the continuous nosebleed.
 
Kaosium said:
I think he was suggesting that an adrenaline rush might mitigate the pain of injury, in your case the barfight, in Wilson's case his facial injury.
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It often does. I broke my clavicle once but thought it was no big deal for four days, until the pain became too great and I went to get x-rayed.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
It often does. I broke my clavicle once but thought it was no big deal for four days, until the pain became too great and I went to get x-rayed.
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Agreed. I once suffered a compound fracture of my ankle; it didn't start to really hurt until they got me to the ER, a good 15 minutes later. I knew I was hurt badly, though; I remember sitting on the ground, looking at my foot pointing backwards, and thinking "That doesn't look good." Didn't hurt though, at least not just then.
 
newyorkguy said:
I understand the relentless snark from the people who are arguing this was a justifiable shooting and have been doing so since almost the first day.

Even the police haven't said it was justifiable. They haven't said anything one way or the other. A couple of eyewitnesses, plus Brown's companion, came forward to say the shooting looked bad, the shooting looked excessive. Yet no one on the 'other' side, the official side, has said yet that the shooting was justified. All they've said is, they're investigating it.
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I understand they're going to charge Brown with stealing lead from the police department and littering the sidewalk with his body.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think his autopsy results are celebrated because he was hired to show that Wilson shot Brown in the back, and he was unable to do so.

He was seen as a heavy hitter, and he kind of struck out.

I didn't realize at first that Baden's autopsy is largely irrelevant. I took it too seriously, I admit.
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I was unaware Baden was hired for the specific purpose of determining Brown was shot in the back. Do you have a cite for this claim?
 
Distracted1 said:
What seems to be in dispute is how far the perp was from the police car when he was stopped. That he was struggling with the officer prior to that seems to be conceded.
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Distracted1 said:
Ironic, isn't it, that although they may be two distinct groups the behavior of the dead boy seems to indicate he would be more likely to be throwing a Molotov cocktail than holding a candle.
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Distracted1 said:
That detail seems to be continually ignored. According to the police department the "unarmed teen" was actually the "assailant".

It wasn't a case of " walking while black". It was a case of " attacking a police officer and trying to steal his gun" That is the claim of the department, anyway. Is there some reason I should credit the police officers claim less than that of the assailants companion?
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LTC8K6 said:
When we have both sides of the story, we can compare. Right now, we haven't heard from an important party.

For a scenario:

There could have been a struggle for the officer’s gun at the police car door. The officer’s gun could have become dislodged in that struggle. The officer then gets his backup gun and shoots Brown once. Brown runs away, the officer shoots him a few more times.

Why? Because a gun is still missing and Brown is running away and the officer thinks Brown has taken the gun.

In reality, the gun is just lost somewhere in the car or on the ground under the car.

Just a possible example that could explain what some saw and heard.
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theprestige said:
I bet you don't.

I bet you can't cite a single post from the first week of this thread where someone argues that the shooting was justifiable.


And therefore... ?
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The hilited statements are attempts to justify the shooting all from the first page.
 
My experience was similar to what is told above, while fleeing a group of 4 guys , I made quite a sprain, need immobilisation for more than 1 week with anti coagulant. But in the 10 minutes after i felt nothing, only afterward the pain started abd maybe 20 - 30 minutes it was very painful. Probably was adrenaline.

Well a sprain is not as bad as a fracture so it might not be comparable.
 
Distracted1 said:
To your reasoning, as we have had exchanges throughout this thread, am I arguing that this was a justifiable shooting?
I must assert that I have not.
I have, however, been skeptical of the constant assertions that it was a cold blooded, walking while black, murder of an innocent gentle giant. Which is purportedly what caused the rioting to start, and the cop hating to flow.
On a skeptical forum, it seems that the rules of the game require that assertions be examined, and weighed.

If this thread were a trial, who do you suppose " the accused " would be?
Certainly not Mr. Brown, who is repeatedly called the victim.
If this were a trial, the defendant would be the police officer. Presenting evidence that he may be innocent, and questioning the evidence that is trying to convict is the skeptical thing to do.


EDIT. Actually, upon review, I have indeed made posts that can be construed as asserting the shooting was absolutely justified. The sarcasm was not clear, often they were in response to claims that indicated certainty that murder had been committed, and my response was intended to match that certainty with a just as certain counter assertion that the evidence supported just as much. I will endeavor to be more clear forthwith.
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Exactly, the skeptics in this thread are examining all the evidence, as you said. Team Brown seems to be defending their religion, rather than examining evidence.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Agreed. I once suffered a compound fracture of my ankle; it didn't start to really hurt until they got me to the ER, a good 15 minutes later. I knew I was hurt badly, though; I remember sitting on the ground, looking at my foot pointing backwards, and thinking "That doesn't look good." Didn't hurt though, at least not just then.
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I never injured myself that badly, but one night I was working at a place where they kept customer tickets on a paper spindle and as it had been a busy night I was counting them. When trying to re-spindle the huge stack my hand slipped and I put the spindle through my hand. Didn't even hurt, I just kept looking at my hand with that spindle going through it wondering why it didn't hurt and trying to figure out what I was going to do about it. The guy I was with was more freaked out than I, 'You gotta get it out!!!' 'Better do it quick as it's gonna hurt more coming out than it did going in!'

He was right!
 
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