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Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I have been looking for any information relating to either defence teams lodging their appeals without success, I thought the defence had X days after the publication of the Florence motivations to register their appeals?

I'm sure they'll be sending the papers along to you any moment now.

If Italy actually had a transparent and technologically proficient judicial system, we could just download them. But alas, it doesn't. They can't even figure out how to run an on-line docketing system. How can they figure out DNA?
 
I have been looking for any information relating to either defence teams lodging their appeals without success, I thought the defence had X days after the publication of the Florence motivations to register their appeals?
45 days CoulsdonUK

How long do the Kercher tribe have to respond? Can they? How are Stephanie's wedding plans progressing? Maybe the happy day will coincide with poor Rudy availing himself of day release to pursue his career in teaching the chidren of Perugia. How does that picket fence post feel penetrating your backside?
 
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Bond

BTW, for those breathlessly following Bond v. US to see if it would have any potential impact on extradition matters, in the sense that the Court might say that the US government cannot enter into a treaty that abrogates individual rights . . . well, the opinion is out and the majority pretty much avoided that issue (not surprising). But, there is some discussion of the issue in the concurrences:

We would not give the Government's support of the Holland principle the time of day were we confronted with "treaty-implementing" legislation that abrogated the freedom of speech or some other constitutionally [*22] protected individual right. We proved just that in Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), which held that commitments made in treaties with Great Britain and Japan would not permit civilian wives of American servicemen stationed in those countries to be tried for murder by court-martial. The plurality opinion said that "no agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or on any other branch of Government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution." Id., at 16 .

In other words, Justice Scalia thinks its as obvious as the nose on your face that no treaty can take away any citizen's "constitutionally protected individual rights."

So, I ask, does an innocent American citizen have a right not to be snatched up off the street and sent away for life imprisonment by a corrupt foreign power that has railroaded the citizen in a biased, unfair kangaroo-court proceeding?
 
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BTW, for those breathlessly following Bond v. US to see if it would have any potential impact on extradition matters, in the sense that the Court might say that the US government cannot enter into a treaty that abrogates individual rights . . . well, the opinion is out and the majority pretty much avoided that issue (not surprising). But, there is some discussion of the issue in the concurrences:



In other words, Justice Scalia thinks its as obvious as the nose on your face that no treaty can take away any citizen's "constitutionally protected individual rights."

So, I ask, does an innocent American citizen have a right not to be snatched up off the street and sent away for life imprisonment by a corrupt foreign power that has railroaded the citizen in a biased, unfair kangaroo-court proceeding?

I just read a review of Scalia's biography, I am now automatically on guard
 
None of the above.

Nencini is trying to refute the reality of the break-in, as well as any notion that it would have been Rudy himself who would have staged a break-in. Presumably, the thought that Rudy might have been let in by Meredith, then Rudy killed her, then Rudy as a lone-attacker staged a break-in to divert attention from it being someone "known to have had a date with Meredith" is ludicrous to Nencini.

Nencini is of the opinion that it was Knox who let Rudy in, but that Rudy's presence was otherwise not bothersome initially to Meredith either.

Nencini combines this with his unique notion that Rudy was a professional burglar. No one else views Rudy that way, and most certainly neither Mignini in Perugia nor Crini in Florence entered that notion into evidence - even as one of their famed, "it is probable that's......" Nencini just makes it up.

So, Nencini sees Rudy as a professional, and as one would have had facility to come in through the front door, locked or not locked, and would not have staged a break-in to divert an investigation from a planned encounter with Meredith, because, Nencini says, that style of break-in was known to the Perugians to be Rudy's method.

Are you confused yet?

Nencini, though, defaults to the other strange notion..... that it was Amanda Knox who both staged a break-in in a manner seemingly to point to someone like Rudy, THEN Amanda counter-intuitively named Lumumba at interrogation. This begs the question of why go to all that trouble only to do a double reverse!?

But the short answer to your question is that Nencini just invented all this. No one has ever claimed that the Perugians recognized this as Rudy's method - although given his antics in Milan, perhaps they should have!

Following Nencini's logic, Rudy is a professional burglar who would have had the facility to enter the women's flat via the front door, locked or unlocked, who would not have staged the break-in in the manner known to the police to be Rudy's MO because that would have caused the police to think of him. In that case, why didn't Nencini think Rudy could stage the break-in another way - such as by opening the glass door in the hallway that opened to the upper terrace? This is the terrace that Machiavelli argued a real burglar would have climbed to to enter the upper flat.

I guess if Rudy the professional burglar had staged the break-in in a way that was different from Rudy's signature rock MO, Nencini could't easily keep Amanda and Raffaele in the crime.
 
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Following Nencini's logic, Rudy is a professional burglar who would have had the facility to enter the women's flat via the front door, locked or unlocked, who would not have staged the break-in in the manner known to the police to be Rudy's MO because that would have caused the police to think of him. In that case, why didn't Nencini think Rudy could stage the break-in another way - such as by opening the glass door in the hallway that opened to the upper terrace. This is the terrace that Machiavelli argued a real burglar would have climbed to to enter the upper flat.

I guess if Rudy the professional burglar had staged the break-in in a way that was different from Rudy's signature rock MO, Nencini could't easily keep Amanda and Raffaele in the crime.
Clearly Luca Cheli is now the most authentic contributor, as an Italian speaker and critical analyst of both the science and the psychology. There is no god above, so let's hope Luca is right in proposing that the completely random new judges behave themselves.
 
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If Italy actually had a transparent and technologically proficient judicial system, we could just download them. But alas, it doesn't. They can't even figure out how to run an on-line docketing system. How can they figure out DNA?

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Interesting responses, I assume neither of you have any interest in the defence appeal, fair enough.
 
Interesting responses, I assume neither of you have any interest in the defence appeal, fair enough.
CoulsdonUK your reply is quintessentially you. You have declared a relationship with the Kercher tribe, so why not discuss the evidence that they refuse to? They want Raffaele's money and real estate. Maybe you will check Simon Darcourt and his weird strategies.
 
Why thank you.

I responded to post #9124 as it relates to the next phase of the judicial process.
CoulsdonUK you are the most patient of human like entities. Will you confirm that the fragrant Stephanie is about to encounter conjugal bliss? Do you have a view that Amanda Marie Knox should be denied this for 28 and a half years divided by two, and further reduced for time served.
 
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<Snip> Do you have a view that Amanda Marie Knox should be denied this for 28 and a half years divided by two, and further reduced for time served.

I really do not wish to add to the repetitive nature of this thread. However, as I have said in a number of previous posts, I do not believe Amanda Knox will serve any further jail time.

I am sure Raffaele appreciates your support of Amanda.

New Zealand 28, England 27. :(
 
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I really do not wish to add to the repetitive nature of this thread. However, as I have said in a number of previous posts, I do not believe Amanda Knox will serve any further jail time.

I am sure Raffaele appreciates your support of Amanda.

New Zealand 28, England 27. :(
Auckland Grammar Kings College 27 15.
Why are your meatheads so ordinary? Not enough people of colour?
 
The Price isn't Right

William Cohan has just come out with a book on the Duke lacrosse case, "The Price of Silence." In response to a question about what he thought happened in the bathroom of the house, which was the site of the alleged assault, Cohan responded, "All I know is that the police believed her, District Attorney Mike Nifong believed her, and the rape nurse Tara Levicy believed her. I am convinced something happened.

The question is, do you believe that all of that was made up and was all a fiction and that nothing even remotely like any of that ever happened? That it was all just made up and everyone was in on the conspiracy? Or that, as I like to say, something happened that none of us would be proud of?"

Cohan's refusal to spell out what he thought happened, as well as his trotting out the I-don't-believe-in-conspiracies argument for another lap around the track is depressingly familiar to at least one student of both cases. POS is a good acronym for his book. I'd like a t-shirt that says "Something happened in that bathroom" on the front, and "She knows something she is not telling us" on the back, even if the only two people who got a chuckle over it were RoseMontague and I.
 
Your humour such as it is, escapes me.
Local school game, no humour intended. BUT. Amanda Marie Knox sex offender register, banned from travelling, Raffaee Sollecito in the slammer, Harryrag sipping champagne, Lyle Kercher occupying Raffaee Soellecito's beachfront apartment.

Just great, I hope you Coulsdonites all crawl under a rock. I never wish to read your abject posts again.
 
Local school game, no humour intended. BUT. Amanda Marie Knox sex offender register, banned from travelling, Raffaee Sollecito in the slammer, Harryrag sipping champagne, Lyle Kercher occupying Raffaee Soellecito's beachfront apartment.

Just great, I hope you Coulsdonites all crawl under a rock. I never wish to read your abject posts again.

Oh the irony, this little exchange with you really has lifted my mood, thank you.
 
Oh the irony, this little exchange with you really has lifted my mood, thank you.
I wish you would just say Amanda thrust the knife into the Coulsdon girl's throat and stole her money and telephones, then came back at midnight and persuaded Raffaele to heave a rock through Fiomena's window into her disgracefully untidy room resembling a teenager. Frankly you are a boring drongo.
 
Oh the irony, this little exchange with you really has lifted my mood, thank you.

CoulsdonUK - do you think the defense teams should appeal the contention that women have Y-genetic material, a salient point Nencnini used to convict them?

See:
 
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