Eric Cantor loses primary

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

(Malcolm Kirkpatrick): "It appears to me that you defend the characterization of the Tea Party by 'liberal posters' as a "racist, fascist movement" 'going on about guns, abortion, and God', in rebuttal to sunmaster's characterization of the Tea Party as 'more libertarian' and supportive of limits on immigration."
(Chaos): "There´s the problem. Stuff that appears to you regularly has no basis whatsoever in the reality the other seven billion of us inhabit."

Did Polaris dispute or support Sunmaster in the following exchange?

(Sunmaster14): "TPers generally want smaller government AND lower taxes. That's not austerity. In some sense, TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already." The liberal posters here think that the Tea Party is some sort of racist, fascist movement, but I think of it as more libertarian. The anti-immigration stuff is not particularly libertarian, but put in context with a growing welfare state, I think the usual libertarian principle (e.g. open borders) here is impractical."
(Polaris): "This statement would hold more water if they hadn't been going on about guns, abortion and God, etc., for the last few years."

 

[MattusMaximus]

Now there are rumors that Cantor's religon (he is Jewish) might have played a role in his defeat. I hope this is not true.

Source?

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Am I the only one who is relishing the irony that the Republican party's crazy gerrymandering in 2010 has now come back to bite them?

I mean, just as the GOP was getting on message and it looked like the Tea Party was receding, this happens.

Was Cantor's district modified since his first election to the House?

 

[Upchurch]

[...] as is 'You didn't build that' (paraphrased)

Paraphrased is right, if by paraphrased you mean completely stripped of context and twisted to mean something completely different. If that's the quality of your examples, it's no wonder you're so confused.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...g-mitt-romneys-attacks-you-didnt-build-truth/

It astounds me that this meme still lives, when listening to the actual speech makes it clear he is referring to infrastructure.

 

[Unabogie]

It astounds me that this meme still lives, when listening to the actual speech makes it clear he is referring to infrastructure.

It's willful, right? No one can stare at evidence as clear as this and fail to understand what it means.

 

[AlBell]

There´s the problem. Stuff that appears to you regularly has no basis whatsoever in the reality the other seven billion of us inhabit.

I strongly doubt you speak for 7 billion. Your subjective reality is solely your own.

 

[Upchurch]

edit: never mind. misread post. my apologies.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Was Cantor's district modified since his first election to the House?

Good question.

ETA: yes, it was according to Wikipedia. If I read the article correctly, it changed just this year.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Source?

This, if people don't read past the headline and don't bother to think beyond "Brat mentioned Hitler. Brat beat Cantor, a Jew." It's pure innuendo.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Good question.

Do you have an answer? You said that "the Republican party's crazy gerrymandering in 2010 has now come back to bite them".
So, was Cantor's district gerrymandered since his first election to the House? If not, how has "it comeback to bite them"?

 

[AlBell]

It astounds me that this meme still lives, when listening to the actual speech makes it clear he is referring to infrastructure.

It's no surprise you ('If you like your coverage you can keep it.' is not a lie) would believe so.

Do you also think infrastructure makes a profit? Yes, govt mandated monopolies, i.e Crony Capitalism, may do so for a select few.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Do you have an answer? You said that "the Republican party's crazy gerrymandering in 2010 has now come back to bite them".

So, was Cantor's district gerrymandered since his first election to the House? If not, how has "it comeback to bite them"?

Yes, according to Wikipedia his district boundaries were changed. So my remarks still stand.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

It astounds me that this meme still lives, when listening to the actual speech makes it clear he is referring to infrastructure.

The criticism of Obama's "You didn't build that" still holds. He says to business owners that they owe their success to government infrastructure. To a degree, that's true. To a considerable degree it's false. All residents have access to the tax-funded infrastructure. Differences in success between a business owner and a bum cannot be caused by common factors like infrastructure.

 

[Upchurch]

It's no surprise you ('If you like your coverage you can keep it.' is not a lie) would believe so.

Funny thing is, I never said it wasn't a lie. In fact, I explicitly said it was a lie on numerous occasions.

Where did you get the idea that I said it was not a lie?

Do you also think infrastructure makes a profit? Yes, govt mandated monopolies, i.e Crony Capitalism, may do so for a select few.

Not sure of the relevance.

 

[Upchurch]

The criticism of Obama's "You didn't build that" still holds. He says to business owners that they owe their success to government infrastructure. To a degree, that's true. To a considerable degree it's false. All residents have access to the tax-funded infrastructure. Differences in success between a business owner and a bum cannot be caused by common factors like infrastructure.

To be fair, though, the "that" he is referring to is the infrastructure, not one's business. Well, infrastructure and teachers, mentors, friends, etc.


eta: And this is all probably off topic. We should probably take it to a new thread if we want to discuss this any further.

 

[DavidJames]

The criticism of Obama's "You didn't build that" still holds. He says to business owners that they owe their success to government infrastructure. To a degree, that's true. To a considerable degree it's false. All residents have access to the tax-funded infrastructure...

That doesn't make it false at all. The fact that everyone has access actually proves more how important the infrastructure is. Thanks for proving the point.

. Differences in success between a business owner and a bum cannot be caused by common factors like infrastructure.

No one said it was. It's very clear a good owner will likely be more successful then a bad one. But without the infrastructure, it's moot.

 

[A'isha]

Source?

Here.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Yes, according to Wikipedia his district boundaries were changed. So my remarks still stand.

The Wikipedia article on the 7th district says

The district stretches from the west end of Richmond and its suburbs in Henrico and portions of Chesterfield Counties, through Orange, Culpeper and northward to Page and Rappahannock Counties. Its current configuration dates from 1993, when Virginia was forced to create a majority-minority district by a Justice Department directive. At that time, most of Richmond, which had been entirely in the old 3rd District for over a century, was shifted to a newly created 3rd District. The remaining territory in the old 3rd was combined with some more rural areas to the north to form the new 7th District.

Is there an update in some other article?

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

That doesn't make it false at all. The fact that everyone has access actually proves more how important the infrastructure is.

The fact that everyone has access and only some construct successful businesses means the difference between what the successful build and what the unsuccessful build is NOT factors common to both (like infrastructure).

 

[Upchurch]

The fact that everyone has access [...]

Not all infrastructure (such as education) is equal and those who do succeed gain more from the additional usage they take advantage of from infrastructure (like roads for moving goods).

At least, that's how the argument goes.