Grinder
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He was caught at the nursery with a womans gold watch.
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/2008-10-28_EngG.pdf
So what? He probably was fencing it.
He was caught at the nursery with a womans gold watch.
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/2008-10-28_EngG.pdf
Rudi was in Milan without a knife until he borrowed one from the nursery kitchen for protection that night. The only mention that he had a knife was the CT story. There is no report he had a knife at any other time.
He was a 'loner' in his burglaries, so far as we know. But if you don't believe he can be pegged for those prior burglaries, then this point probably won't be convincing to you.
If one believes Rudy is a burglar, I don't think we seen any evidence he ever worked with accomplices. (Arguments that he's a fence, or worked with accomplices, or spotters, seem unsupported, INO).
This is close to how I see it but I feel the 20 minutes is too long. One minute is enough. And Rudy himself tells us in his account that she called out when she entered, asking if anybody was home. This is another telling detail that goes with the keys. My guess is he had left the kitchen light on or something like that. He may have cut the light in the bathroom as he heard the key in the lock. Hearing no answer she went to her room and he followed right away.
But most all here accept that he broke into his neighbors house based solely on one true crime book and the fact that he a gold watch in his back pack.
We know he had stolen items from the lawyers' office. He was in the nursery but only had a kitchen knife and and some change from the place. There was a problem with the door lock but it was working if Prado's video demo is correct. I'm guessing that the earlier robbery was done with a key or picking of the lock rather than jimmying the door or breaking a window.
I try to treat all things in the same way. RW will recall that every time some PGP brought up the party or the prank there was a guy at Frank's that published the ticket itself, links to Seattle Muni Court and for the latter JoH's stupid posts at the Stranger.
I too have always been on the Rudi MO from the lawyers' office but RW's Spanish info of a laptops at his place made me rethink it. We really have very little on him being THE burglar.
To me CT is a little like the prosecution witnesses that came along AFTER his picture was in the paper. I don't give Quintavalle any credit nor do I give Curatolo any. Nara is totally worthless since she didn't hear anything.
If the Nina story was something against the kids no one here would put any credence in it. Just imagine that Raf had a gold watch andNinaBarbie or Vogt told the same story pointing at Raf and showing he was crazy. How about the scissors story - everybody here buy that one?
Sure Koko was just right there and knew Rudi was involved in the Perugian Albanian drug activities but it is outrageous of me to think they could have been together. And thinking Rudi might have been part of an organized theft ring is craaaazy.
Why would people accept that Rudi is a loner? Look at the recent RW post about Carlos and the Spanish girls. I'd say he was anything but a loner.
Rudy tells it that there was a chase through the back hall. Papers were thrown from the book shelf and the drying rack was overturned. Of course, in Rudy's telling, he was the one being chased and his hand instinctively reached out to knock those things down. This is when Rudy is close enough to the assailant to have his hand cut by the knife and Rudy is running backwards with his pants falling to his ankles. This is clearly a fabrication on Rudy's part. But there is evidence that some of the parts may be true.
There are indeed some items in the hall that may have been dislodged from the shelf such as the pink bag, a clothes pin from the drying rack was spotted under the radiator. These obstacles in Rudy's path give Meredith a chance to escape into her room. But she is unable to lock the door. Perhaps the key is in her purse or in the lock on the outside
Rudi was in Milan without a knife until he borrowed one from the nursery kitchen for protection that night. The only mention that he had a knife was the CT story. There is no report he had a knife at any other time.
He fell asleep downstairs late at night and after drinking IIRC.
My bet is the knife came from the cottage.
A loner in his criminal life. In normal life he's the life of the party, and documented serial harasser of women. But by night, he's the second story man, the cat burglar who kills cats, the knife wielder who has prior body scars from knife fights, he's the serial dumper-non-flusher. He's the retarded Batman of Perugia, except no Alfred or Robin to keep him company. This 'cheese' stands alone.
Great post! Are these from IIP? The details of the chase, substantiated by real details of the crime scene, smacks of Rudy rewriting his crime to fit the evidence he knows is there, because he was there (a la Anglo).
Meredith's door was locked from the inside when they discovered her, so we know it locks. Trying to lock herself in her bedroom and call for help would have been a heads-up survival strategy, if she had been confronted and chased through the house by Rudy, knowing there's a problem with the front door lock. Makes me think Meredith almost survived, if she could only have locked Guede out of her bedroom, and called for help on her cell phone.
Another sad realization, but I really think this moves the narrative further along - in the micro sense.
You know Grinder, I'm really at a loss for the way in which you are defending Rudy..no excuse me, Rudi. We have two stories where Rudi has a knife. The first is the knife that he took from the kitchen of the nursery and put in his backpack. (Why would he do that?) And the second is the CT story..which you dismiss outright.
I guess if you don't think the CT event happened, you might totally dismiss the knife at the nursery.
But it is the nursery story that makes me believe in CT's story. I can't for any reason imagine why Rudy would steal that knife, unless it was for self defense/attack someone. While I carry a knife, I never think of it for those purposes. But of course it's a folding knife. Any knife that is always open has as much chance of hurting me as it does someone else...so carrying one without sheath of some kinds seems unreasonable.
But I guess the question, I have is do you think the bloody evidence in Meredith's bedroom demonstrates that Rudy is the killer? And if you believe that, wouldn't you then in turn believe that CT's story is true?
I don't see Amanda carrying Raffaele's cooking knife to the cottage. It's not needed for cooking and I don't buy it for protection purposes. The only reason, I can imagine is for a premeditated murder which seems highly unlikely, particularly when Raffaele has known Amanda for one week. Is it Amanda who says Let's go kill my roommate? Or does she unbeknownst to Raffaele, surreptitiously sliding the big knife into her purse? And the murder is a total surprise to Raffaele?
As I said, it seems crazy to me. It's a large knife without a sheath, which leaves an uncovered blade that can cut say Amanda's purse. (No cuts or blood was found inside it) A guy who carries a folding knife like Rudy knows that an uncovered knife is dangerous.
You may think there is nothing to Rudy taking the knife from the kitchen of nursery, but to me it is a little frightening and it lends credence to CT's story. It doesn't confirm it..but it lends credence.
.Great post! Are these from IIP? The details of the chase, substantiated by real details of the crime scene, smacks of Rudy rewriting his crime to fit the evidence he knows is there, because he was there (a la Anglo).
Meredith's door was locked from the inside when they discovered her, so we know it locks. Trying to lock herself in her bedroom and call for help would have been a heads-up survival strategy, if she had been confronted and chased through the house by Rudy, knowing there's a problem with the front door lock. Makes me think Meredith almost survived, if she could only have locked Guede out of her bedroom, and called for help on her cell phone.
Another sad realization, but I really think this moves the narrative further along - in the micro sense.

.It was well planned out and this was the first of several places the gang planned to hit that night when so many Italians go home for the holiday.
What percentage of burglars work with accomplices?
Rudi was in Milan without a knife until he borrowed one from the nursery kitchen for protection that night. The only mention that he had a knife was the CT story. There is no report he had a knife at any other time.
He fell asleep downstairs late at night and after drinking IIRC.
My bet is the knife came from the cottage.
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Before locking Meredith's bedroom door in order to delay discovery of his crime, I think he did a rushed and rudimentary clean outside the bedroom which included righting a kitchen chair, then righting the clothes drying rack and haphazardly putting clothes back on it.
Please point to where I defended Rudi. He was sleeping in a place that the shady character let him in for 20 Euros and he just might have worried that the guy could show up later. Do you think the kitchen knife was a Miyabi Kaizen? The bigger question is why he didn't have HIS knife with him. Seems pretty clear he DIDN'T carry a knife regularly or he would have had it in Milan.
Here's a link of the video clip with the 20:53 time stamp (from Quarto Grado via Sky News).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH-5f8lJjCY


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I totally agree with most of this. Either Rudy is completely innocent and Raffaele and Amanda are guilty, or his lies are self serving, designed to be as close as possible to the truth, while representing himself as innocent.
I think it is very possible the person that cut Rudy, was Meredith. She may have grabbed a small kitchen knife when she sensed there was someone else in the cottage, then found Rudy sneaking out of the bathroom with his pants half down, and slashed at him in a defensive reaction when he came too close. Then like you say, she ran to the bedroom to try and lock herself in. This scenario would explain the evident rage and brutality in Rudy's attack, which is difficult to explain in other scenarios.
Before locking Meredith's bedroom door in order to delay discovery of his crime, I think he did a rushed and rudimentary clean outside the bedroom which included righting a kitchen chair, then righting the clothes drying rack and haphazardly putting clothes back on it.
Here are photos of the two clothes pins under radiator, and jumbled up stuff on top of the clothes hanger. Click for a larger view.
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Cody
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Hi Cody, the forensic experts I've read, Steve Moore, John Douglas, (& others I think) are all in agreement that knife killers often have cuts across their own hands (fingers) where the knife slips during a bloody assault. Rudy's cuts are totally consistent with this phenomena. So the idea of Meredith having a knife doesn't help explain anything, and is contrary to the expectation of what the cuts on Rudy's hand would normally be interpreted as being by experienced professionals. So, personally, I don't buy Meredith was holding a knife.
Any Clean-up of blood would have been revealed by luminol as cloudy swirls on the floor, and it wasn't. There was no "clean-up", at least of blood on the floor. He could have set chairs upright though, I guess, and makes sense he would make a quick effort at it.
(By the way, are you from the great state of AK?)