jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
So, why should NIST listen to you then?
Total Building Collapse from a Single Column Failure
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So, why should NIST listen to you then?
They change the report. That is what is being called for here.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
What truth is being demanded, what other structural component failure would be important, nay critical, to know? Why are you avoiding answering that question?
NIST need to listen to anyone who has actually studied the drawings that they claim to have based their report on. Also, they should have answered the question about the stiffener plates when they were asked about them while the report was out for public comment.
How far would the girder have to be shifted to the West in order to fail. You have all avoided that one for a while - go ahead, answer it.
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
Wait a tic...
You say that NIST needs to have this demand made of them but its not relevant that the most significant trade organizations do not apparently see any requirement to make these demands!
Really?,,,,, no, really?
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
Why do they need to change the report? Why is that important?
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
Why is how far the girder would have to be shifted important?
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
The movement of the girder is consistent with the most probable scenario that girder/floor failure led to a progressive collapse of the structure.
What you consider to be meaningless details have already been the subject of an erratum statement issued by NIST. They have set that precedent that makes these "details" eligible for comment by them.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
So they listen. Why do they need to answer you?
They need to produce an accurate report that accounts for the reality of the structure. They should not need to be told these details. They are on the drawings that they refused to release for years, despite being asked to. and despite being asked about the stiffener plates in 2008.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
Why do they need to do any more? Why is it important?
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
They issued an erratum. Why do they need to be any more accurate? What possible difference could it make? You are not answering the importance of this. You are just saying it is important and not saying why, so why should anyone, NIST included, care?
That stated the girder was pushed 6.25". Impossible.
Just being possible would be a start for their theory.
NoahFence
Banned
Asked by whom?
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
You did not answer my question, instead choosing a question of your own to answer.
Show me where NIST addressed the direct question that was posed in 2008 by the CTBUH re the stiffeners.
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
I read the CBTUH response. They certainly did not make the demands you seem to think they did.
What they did do is accept that fire effects on floor girders led to the progressive collapse and unequivocally denounce the 9/11 truth movement as having "no credibility whatsoever".