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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

tsig said:

The Third Eye

In November 1956 a book called The Third Eye was published in the United Kingdom. It was written by a man named as Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, and it purported to relate his experiences while growing up in Chakpori Lamasery[1] Chokpori, Tibet after being sent there at the age of seven. The title of the book is derived from an operation, similar to trepanation, that Rampa claimed he had undergone, in which a small hole was drilled into his forehead to arouse the third eye and enhance powers of clairvoyance. The book describes the operation as follows:

The instrument penetrated the bone. A very hard, clean sliver of wood had been treated by fire and herbs and was slid down so that it just entered the hole in my head. I felt a stinging, tickling sensation apparently in the bridge of my nose. It subsided and I became aware of subtle scents which I could not identify. Suddenly there was a blinding flash. For a moment the pain was intense. It diminished, died and was replaced by spirals of colour. As the projecting sliver was being bound into place so that it could not move, the Lama Mingyar Dondup turned to me and said:" You are now one of us, Lobsang. For the rest of your life you will see people as they are and not as they pretend to be."

During the story, Rampa sees yetis and eventually encounters a mummified body of himself from an earlier incarnation. He also takes part in an initiation ceremony in which he learns that during its early history the Earth was struck by another planet, causing Tibet to become the mountain kingdom that it is today.

I read the book in 1968, never got the third eye opened.
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It's been done... usually fatal.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.obituaries/OSlNaTwxLrE
 
Scorpion said:
We are not talking about getting a message through a medium, we are talking about opening ourselves to the spirit world directly. So I guess we would have to work out for ourselves if the information that we received was true or false. I would suggest that the application of logic to any perceptions would be a good thing that might avoid self delusion.
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Self delusion may occur during claimed perception, in the sense that there is no actual perception but creation of a perception through self delusion.
 
Daylightstar said:
You're not exactly very convincing.
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I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.
 
Scorpion said:
I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.
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Actually, I have been familiar with those terms for quite some time. But since they are not in touch with reality, they are inert.
 
Scorpion said:
We are not talking about getting a message through a medium, we are talking about opening ourselves to the spirit world directly. So I guess we would have to work out for ourselves if the information that we received was true or false. I would suggest that the application of logic to any perceptions would be a good thing that might avoid self delusion.
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You need to be much more specific than that if you want to avoid self deception.
 
Scorpion said:
I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.
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I'm sure most posters here were, like me, already very familiar with these terms. I spent many years reading about and considering such concepts before rejecting them as imaginary.
 
Scorpion said:
I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
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But you haven't provided anything of substance about them to be either remembered or forgotten. The problem is that you have no idea how to make sense of the word salad that you've been force fed so you cannot explain in any coherent fashion. The reason for that, of course, is that all of these so-called mediums from whom you obtained these terms were themselves making them up or perpetuating nonsense that they had been taught.

nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
 
Scorpion, I don't believe your psychic/baby brother message actually occured as you say it did. I think you constructed that anecdote through self delusion or self deception.
 
Scorpion said:
... I used to have a feeling like fire flowing through my chakras, which is the way I came to know about them. It turned out to be caused by my etheric body being made loose due to mental stress I had suffered.
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Either that, or shingles ;)
 
Daylightstar said:
Scorpion, I don't believe your psychic/baby brother message actually occured as you say it did. I think you constructed that anecdote through self delusion or self deception.
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That's certainly a possibility, but even if Scorpion is remembering and describing his experience 100% accurately there are still more plausible explanations than a message from the spirit world.
 
Pixel42 said:
That's certainly a possibility, but even if Scorpion is remembering and describing his experience 100% accurately there are still more plausible explanations than a message from the spirit world.
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In such a case, yes of course, there would be.
 
Scorpion said:
The third eye (brow chakra) is just another organ like the physical eyes.
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No it isn't. As I said, there is no physiological or anatomical trace of such an organ, nor any neural pathways for whatever it is supposed to sense. And no, the pineal gland isn't involved.

Acupuncture is supposed to use chakras and meridians to direct its effects, but in controlled tests, random needle placement was every bit as effective, as was use of fake needles that didn't pierce the skin. All placebo effect. There's no evidence to support the existence of chakras or meridians.
 
Scorpion said:
... maybe succeeding in opening the third eye would bring evidence that was confirmable.
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Nobody has come forward with any confirmable evidence up to now; my money is on that continuing to be the case.

But do let us know if you think you have some comfirmable evidence from your third eye - oh wait, you can't because the spirits don't want us to know, or something, am I right?
 
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dlorde said:
Nobody has come forward with any confirmable evidence up to now; my money is on that continuing to be the case.

But do let us know if you think you have some comfirmable evidence from your third eye - oh wait, you can't because the spirits don't want us to know, or something, am I right?
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If we knew, we'd use that power for evil and wipe out the world. Only "good" people can wield the power, that's why evidence is so elusive.
 
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