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Kryptos

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I'm looking through photos I have of the Pentagon.

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Looking at this one closely (big version here), what's the piece of debris on the left side of the photo that is in front of the window? anyone know?
 
Kryptos said:
I'm looking through photos I have of the Pentagon.

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Looking at this one closely (big version here), what's the piece of debris on the left side of the photo that is in front of the window? anyone know?
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A fire truck?
 
Kryptos,

Yes, I think that the first photo linked in Climbhazzard's post demonstrates pretty definitively that the debris described in the OP is a portion of a damaged firetruck (the door hanging open, a wheel, and damaged wheelwell, etc.).
 
The fire truck parked next to the helicopter control tower was set afire in the crash. Judging by the damage to the wall, I would say that the location is about right.
 
leftysergeant said:
The fire truck parked next to the helicopter control tower was set afire in the crash. Judging by the damage to the wall, I would say that the location is about right.
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And when you consider the different perspectives, different angles and different distances of the various photos, the details of the windows, the damage to them, the hanging bits in the windows, as well as the long shots showing the firetruck with the door hanging open, its position viz a viz the building, etc., and compare the details of the areas that are therefore distinguishable, it all seems to match up very closely indeed.
 
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Oh dear. You thought you had finally found some plane debris at the pentagon but it turns out its a fire truck. Keep looking, you may find some one day.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Oh dear. You thought you had finally found some plane debris at the pentagon but it turns out its a fire truck. Keep looking, you may find some one day.
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there were loads young'un

also bodies, seats, engine parts, landing gear and wheels etc etc etc

you have not researched this too well have you?

try looking at the exhibits from the moussoaui trial
 
Now I am wondering what that white debris is next to the rear wheel of the fire truck in the full view. Aluminum? And what is the white drape over the top?

The "cordite" remarks have always puzzled me. Cordite is long obsolete for most purposes, and it is not HE, and not suitable for a shaped-charge munition.

I have an Enfield #1 MkIII* that I fire regularly. The standard Brit .303 round is cordite loaded. It has a very distinctive smell. Rather like a burned-out electric motor.

Or like burnt synthetic materials such as would be used in the interior panelling of a commercial aircraft.

In arson investigations training, I was told never to identify an untested substance too specificly. Identify things like "unburned hydrocarbon fuel" rather than "gasoline" or "diesel." The defense can make you look like a fool in court if you misidentify it.

Chances are, only one out of ten of the people who think they smelled cordite have ever smelled it. I fire regularly at a military recreational range where old milsurps are common, but even among our crowd, Enfields, thus Brit .303, are rare.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Oh dear. You thought you had finally found some plane debris at the pentagon but it turns out its a fire truck. Keep looking, you may find some one day.
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I recommend that you actually research somewhere besides the LCF and its ilk. Perhaps investigate some of the linksposted by users here.

Eventually, most 15 year olds discover that ignorance is curable. Many of them even become willing to admit their past and/or current ignorance on a particular subject.
Some, unfortunately, will, through youthful ignorance and innocence, become stupid. Happened to the valevictorian of my High School class. Didn't know that LSD could do permanent damage.
Stop, look, and ask questions before drinking any kind of kool-aid--Twoofer or sceptic
 
Revolutionary91 said:
It's a piece of twisted metal. I was hoping you might show me the remains of a 100 ton airliner.
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CT Boy - why don't you do an analysis of what the wreckage would look like. Be sure to consider the characteristics of the plane, the speed at contact point and the characteristics of the building. Please provide footnotes and show your work.
 
DavidJames said:
CT Boy - why don't you do an analysis of what the wreckage would look like. Be sure to consider the characteristics of the plane, the speed at contact point and the characteristics of the building. Please provide footnotes and show your work.
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I'd settle for a tw00fer admitting that a high speed crash should look a bit different from typical crashes.

10 dollars says young R91 links pictures of todays TAM Airbus crash in Brazil. Forget 10 bucks, get the million ready.
 
AIDS denier? Who?

And how is an AIDS denier any more dangerous or less reliable than a white nationalist like D.B.Smith, or a dishonorably discharged, American-hating French intel officer who claims to be an artillery officer and fire-fighting expert like Pierre-Henri Bunel, the liar who fed Thierry Meyssen most of his woo?

Ad-hominem attacks are generally of little value. I would make an exception for the individuals I named because there is clear motive for them to lie and create dissention among people who should be allies.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Oh dear. You thought you had finally found some plane debris at the pentagon but it turns out its a fire truck. Keep looking, you may find some one day.
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Do you seriously believe that there's no photographs showing airliner debris at the Pentagon?

Was the engine debris planted?

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What about the landing gear?

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And the Lime Green pieces?

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Bottom right:
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And the fuselage pieces, was that planted too?

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The debris in and around the punchout hole, was that planted also?

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Along with human remains matching that of the passengers on Flight 77.

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What about the debris that covered the Pentagon lawn? Was it planted?

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Are these people picking up non-existent debris?

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Possibly an APU door:

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Other debris:

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Can't forget about those personal effects. Did the government take all of the passengers from Flight 77, kill them, then plant their DNA and personal effects inside of the Pentagon?

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http://onlineathens.com/stories/091104/new_20040911030.shtml
http://gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=73724

You also can't forget about the 105 eyewitnesses who saw a plane crash into the Pentagon. Eyewitness sources:
http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They saw the aircraft.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta04.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm

A must read web page, I'm sure you've taken a look at it before and completely ignored what it says:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Based on the EVIDENCE, what do you believe struck the Pentagon?

Also, if you wouldn't mind. Please show me some debris from the crash of Flight 585, I can't find very much of the plane, so I guess it never crashed!
 
Hammer_of_Thor said:
No, dont ignore him. I want to see what he says an airplane that smashes into a building looks like after the crash.
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Well, I sincerely doubt that paying attention to him is going to bring that about, but anyway - enjoy.
 
parky76 said:
Hmm...the rear of that truck...looks a bit melted. Mini-nukes maybe?

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I'm sticking with orbital beam weapons (most likely an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator). And those blast points: Far too accurate for sand people. Only NWO operatives are so precise.
 
Par said:
Well, I sincerely doubt that paying attention to him is going to bring that about, but anyway - enjoy.
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I have to agree with you. I just wanted to see what he comes up with. But now that I think about it...it will just be another regurgitation of old arguments so...ignore him.

Thanks
 
Rev, having nothing productive to add any more, and having a full summer vacation to waste, has resorted to quippy comments, and ad homs, etc...

I have not seen him add a thoughtful, insightful comment in...well....

anyway, Unfit, nice presentation of the evidence.

TAM:)
 
Hammer_of_Thor said:
No, dont ignore him. I want to see what he says an airplane that smashes into a building looks like after the crash.

Please rev91.
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I listned to Kevin Barrett interviewing Morgan Reynolds the other day. Reynolds claimed that the airplane should have just crumpled up against the side of the WTC and fallen down to the bottom.

I am not kidding. He actually said that.
 
DavidJames said:
Generally I agree, but sometimes the arrogance and ignorance when multiplied by the smugness is more then I can handle.
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I rather imagine it's designed to be; although I certainly know how you feel!
 
Basic brainwashing technique of the twoofers. They try to make you feel like an idiot. If you can't suspend your disbelief long enough to consider their theories, you are either a moron or a "shill."

In some ways, they remiond me of the Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity style. When a dissenting caller gets on the air, they throw in some comment like "Don't you want to win this war?"

Twoofers seem to emulate that style of arguing.

I am a proud exile from the Loose Screws forum. I kept bringing up examples from my own experience with aircraft incidents. For some reason Dylan and the boys took umberage at that.

Face it, they don't want critical input, so they try to convince us that they are not worth the trouble of smacking down so that they can go ahead and proselytize without hinderance from such people as those who think critically.
 
R91,

most truthers - even the morons behind Loose Change - have come to understand that, yes, a plane did in fact hit the Pentagon.

Try to keep up, kid.
 
Compared to the 747 crash site in the pic I posted above, there is far clearer evidence of a 757 at the Pentagon. It's all a matter of not wanting to see something. A form of confabulation, I think. That's a sign, usually, of psychosis, retardation, guilt or substance abuse.

That may explain why there are so many punk kids putting together twoofer sites.

So, if there are any twqoofers here, now can you see a 747?
 

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