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Retired NASA "expert" Inspires Balsamo Fraud?

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Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...

Balsamo, the leader of p4t delusions, uses "experts" to increase DVD sales, spread the same old moronic delusions and mislead people with his paranoid anti-intellectual, anti-American illogical conspiracy theories. Balsamo continues with the do nothing no evidence stand with his lie, "we do not offer theory". By using an "expert's" opinion, Balsamo deceives the gullible followers with secondhand failed opinions as evidence. Balsamo insulates himself from being the one who lies by using hearsay and opinions from Deets, for instance. Balsamo does not make the moronic claims, he makes them dumber. Balsamo uses what Deets says to support his theories, theories which he claims he does not offer.

Over 9 years, has Balsamo positioned himself as one of the dumbest pilot on earth, right behind his membership pilots, on 911 issues? Balsamo claims, "we do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time". What do you expect with over 9 years of failure? But the offer no theory is a lie. With John Lear, Balsamo proves he offers theory, delusional theories.

John Lear: Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.

Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.
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Balsamo has comprehension problems. He supports delusions; he agreed 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, no 757 at Shanksville, no Arab terrorists flying jets into the WTC. Lear and Balsamo admit they are not able to fly as good as terrorists that hit buildings on their first heavy jet flight. Terrorist 75 percent, Balsamo and Lear claim zero percent.


What is a Vg diagram? Here is a T-37 Vg diagram.
T-37Vgdiagram.jpg


Balsamo took 767 speeds and placed them in an educational Vg diagram, removing the real speeds. Look at the T-37 graph. And then below at the T-38 diagram. Then see Balsamo's fake 767 Vg diagram and he/she admits it, but implies it is valid.

Vg diagram for a T-38, how would we fake it using a T-37 diagram? Someone needs to explain to Balsamo you can't fake a Vg diagram for an aircraft just adding numbers to another Vg diagram.
T-38Vgdiagram.jpg


Balsamo makes up his diagram. He takes numbers from one aircraft and insert them in a generic Vg diagram. TiffanyInLa/Balsamo took a Vg diagram like this. Exactly like this one.
VgdiagrambeforeBalsamodolteditup.gif


Arbitrarily added speeds from a 767 to make it a fake 767 Vg diagram. Balsamo explains this is what he did and then claims 990 broke up in-flight, which is a lie which dovetails with the fake Vg diagram.

VgdiagramBalsamoized.jpg



Balsamo, posing as a girl sock at ATS and other forums, took a Vg diagram and inserted Vspeeds for a 767. Making up evidence to support his delusions, hiding behind a sock. Not news, standard procedure from the 11.2g failed physics pilot who sells delusions. If you need lots of cookies, go over to ATS, see Balsamo starting threads about himself, spewing nonsense, posing as a girl, or implied girl, who is extremely dumb on 911. See the same at
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3611382/4/ ; where else is this fraud being posted... ?


With fake Vg posted, Balsamo claims a 767 would break up past 420 knots, like Flight 990, which did not break up in flight.

What does Boeing say about flight above Vmo?
Exceeding Vmo/Mmo can pose a threat to exceeding design structural integrity and design stability & control criteria of the airplane. At speeds less than Vmo/Mmo the airplane’s flight characteristics have been confirmed by flight testing to meet FAR requirements. At speeds in excess of Vmo/Mmo, however, normal airplane handling characteristics are not assured. http://www.biggles-software.com/soft...40_vmo_mmo.htm
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Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum said:
John Lear: And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.

Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.
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Yeah, that must be why they did it in the simulator the first dozen times. :p

John Lear is a special kind of stupid that makes even Jerry Leaphart, Judy Wood and our dear departed Pookzta look positively lucid. We're talking blue skies*, green hills*, lakes full of fish* and human communities* on the frakking Moon stupid here.

*Not exaggerations, Lear actually says this.
 
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:

The Color of the Lunar Sky
An Opinion by John Lear

The daytime sky on the moon is not black.

It could be yellow. It could be blue. It could be red.

But it is not black.

The reason for the lie the sky is black on the moon is that if it were yellow or blue or red or another color then that would mean the moon has an atmosphere through which the sun rays shine, turning the sky a color.

And if the moon has an atmosphere then it has gravity which holds the atmosphere in place.

If it has an atmosphere and gravity then most everything you have been told about the moon is a lie.

And you have been told a lie.

Please don’t bother telling me how many laws of physics and books of knowledge and reams of scientific evidence prove I’m wrong. I not interested in the depth of your ignorance. There are a few that know I am right. There are also a few that are shaking in their boots trying to figure out how they are going to get this back in the bottle. And you know what? I haven’t even told you half of it. Going Kilo Kilo.
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And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:



And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.
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What a freaking lunatic! He clearly knows squat about the moon or air.

Were there an atmosphere, there would be wind. We see sand everywhere. We see no sign anywhere of dunes. There is, thus, no sign that a wind has ever blown there.

"Guanophrenic" does not go far enough to describe this senile old coot.
 
I know every now and then we need to let off a little steam, and pft and their paranoid leader is as good a target as any, but not really much new here. Same old batcraptastic crap.

TAM:)
 
Keep Watching The Skys!

Here's a John Lear prediction from 2008 that failed to materialize. (Edited from this hour and twenty minutes of nuttiness with Paula Gloria and Lear.)

 
T.A.M. said:
I know every now and then we need to let off a little steam, and pft and their paranoid leader is as good a target as any, but not really much new here. Same old batcraptastic crap.

TAM:)
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The fake diagram at ATS showed up in a thread about Deets. Balsamo took Deets doubts over speed of 175 as inspiration to fake a Vg diagram, and claim operation in the red is aircraft breakup. He used analogies to flight 990.

Not much new, just a new expert to use and a fake Vg diagram. Same old Balsamo, posing as someone else, like he did using Turbofan's account, using an expert's delusions to spread lies, and fake science.

This is the future of 911 truth. p4t will recycle the old claims when new paranoid conspiracy theorist spring up. We have Balsamo doing this with Lear, and now Deets. Like bad b-movies, where we suffered through Zombies, then Zombies2 introducing John Lear, and Zombies3 with Deets being used by Balsamo and 911 truth.

I have never hear of the ELT scam from 911 truth; in the Deets thread, Deets has a delusion the ELT is a smoking gun "anomaly". Is the ELT a new item. If it is new, it is pathetic, it is based on news reports in 2001! That will make for a Zombie4, the Resurrection.

I thought faking the Vg diagram overtly was a new level of stupid.
 
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Please don’t bother telling me how many laws of physics and books of knowledge and reams of scientific evidence prove I’m wrong. I not interested in the depth of your ignorance.
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.........huh???
 
Oh god Balsamo really is pretending to be a girl.

What is this guy's problem? Didn't think he could be convincing enough as an old man pilot who isn't really a pilot?

I wonder if he still holds on to his "undetected flyover in broad daylight" theory?
 
1337m4n said:
Oh god Balsamo really is pretending to be a girl.

What is this guy's problem? Didn't think he could be convincing enough as an old man pilot who isn't really a pilot?

I wonder if he still holds on to his "undetected flyover in broad daylight" theory?
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His avatar looks something like this. Pretending to be TiffanyInLa, Balsamo brings out his aerodynamic hoax, in a we got a new "expert" thread about Deets.
If you are going to spread lies, having an avatar like this might help the fake Vg diagram scam.

In ieSpell, TiffanyInLa is corrected to Denyingly. better get back to work
 
beachnut said:
Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...

Balsamo, the leader of p4t delusions, uses "experts" to increase DVD sales, spread the same old moronic delusions and mislead people with his paranoid anti-intellectual, anti-American illogical conspiracy theories. Balsamo continues with the do nothing no evidence stand with his lie, "we do not offer theory". By using an "expert's" opinion, Balsamo deceives the gullible followers with secondhand failed opinions as evidence. Balsamo insulates himself from being the one who lies by using hearsay and opinions from Deets, for instance. Balsamo does not make the moronic claims, he makes them dumber. Balsamo uses what Deets says to support his theories, theories which he claims he does not offer.
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The very first question one should ask is why is Balsamo posting this garbage at ATS? There are only 3-4 people there knowledgeable enough to even discuss this issue intelligently. The remainder are paranoid wackos eager to swallow his putrid slop which poses as legitimate opinion and valid evidence for ignorant twoofers. Why isn't he discussing this at pprune or publishing it in Aviation Week.......?

The reason is that it is his typical garbage posing as pseudo expert testimony to support delusions of the gullible minions at ATS. He would be destroyed at a legitimate professional site with knowledgeable non-deluded experts.

There is no doubt that "TiffanyinLA" is Balsamo posting under one of the dozens of aliases he has on the 'net. Yet, he has denied it apparently thinking that most everyone who's had dealings with him can't recognize his inflated ego, bullying tactics among other unique posting style.

He misrepresents the meaning and interpretation of his made-up vg diagram. He lies about his examples with techno babble and repeatedly references his Web Site interspersed with repeated "Appeals to Authority" of of the sycophants in his cult.

I believe he and his cult are no longer a major threat to either attracting a legitimate following of more than a hand full in the aviation community or of influencing all but a few of the remaining twoofers or those who think like the few remaining paranoid morons. He simply does not deserve the attention he craves that a long thread here would provide.

He is quite simply not a credible influence anymore. Please let this thread die!
 
Reheat said:
... He is quite simply not a credible influence anymore. Please let this thread die!
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It gave me a chance to get out my ATCP 51-3.

... standard Balsamo, making up a Vg diagram using a training aid was incredibly stupid.

The Vg diagram sums up airframe limitations. Boeing guarantees the aircraft will perform according to the specifications published and the aircraft will have a service life specified if flown within the limits of the Vg diagram.

This is what Boeing can say about going faster than Vmo.
Exceeding Vmo/Mmo can pose a threat to exceeding design structural integrity and design stability & control criteria of the airplane. At speeds less than Vmo/Mmo the airplane’s flight characteristics have been confirmed by flight testing to meet FAR requirements. At speeds in excess of Vmo/Mmo, however, normal airplane handling characteristics are not assured. http://www.biggles-software.com/soft...40_vmo_mmo.htm
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The main goal of this thread, to give some tools and ideas to understand why photo-shopping a Vg diagram is not reality. Balsamo/TiffanyInLa made up a Vg diagram in seconds, something derived as part of multi-million dollar program that takes years when a new plane is designed and flight tested.

A side issue is how 911 truth uses "experts" like Lear and Deets to support woo, and inspire the need to fake things. These "experts" arrive with the same old lies and no evidence, and p4t/911t use them to sell the same old lies.

We don't need to bash the pilots at p4t who have failed opinions on 911, they do that best when they sign up for p4t. We can supply tools to combat the fraud and lies. Give examples and reference, or ideas to help understand and identify lies about 911.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
John Lear goes stark raving timecube:



And this is the star player of Pilots for Twoof.
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Kind of put the whole thing in perspective. At times, I wonder why anyone listens those folks but I soon realize something: Nobody listens to them. At least nobody who matters, at any rate. Pathetic. I, for one, am very glad Fail-salmo is no longer a commercial pilot. Gives me the willies just thinking of someone like that in control of my airplane.
 
I could be wrong, but I believe the real "TiffanyInLA" was a relative of one of the pilots murdered on September 11th.

Of course, Cap'n Bob has even impersonated me before, so it doesn't surprise me. The man is as sick as they come.
 
4 years, 14,500 posts, beachnut starts first thread!

You were long overdue beachnut.

So Bob-o is posing as a woman now? Does this mean his PFT pic is going to be of him doing a mangina?
 
I have started to thumb throguh that forum that you linked, http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3611382/3/
In post 36, TiffanyinLA posts
'Can you see modifications in terms of increased amount of Vortex Generators? Flutter mods? Increased control surface "throw" - from a youtube video? Do you even know what any of this means?'

This sounds like this is a whirlwind of technical bable thats not really applicable. In regards to Vortex Generators, I was understandable that they were important for low speed control and reducing stalling speed, by creating turbulent flow over the wings, thus delaying flow seperation

The Chieftan has vortex generators and they are like little shards of metal that someone has stuck haphazadly to the inboard wing area. Flutter mods i can understand how they could improve controllability at high speeds...

but ive never heard Increased control surface "throw"??? If anything increase the control surface throw would actually increase aerodynamically forces and cause aileron reversal?, correct.

None of these mods would 1 be visible from any quality of video from afar
and wouldn't really make the plane suddenly be able to fly outside the published limits (compared to a normal 767).. The only way that i could think this could actually be done was by reinforcing the actual structure of the airframe, (which is even said than done.)
Or have i just read this statement completely incorectly and applied dodgy 'basic' aerodynamics.'

Where can i find a refutation to the 11.2g on P4T
 
W.D.Clinger said:
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/balsamo2.html

More here:
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/
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It is funny, Cap'n Bobby was the same guy who "proved" that the plane could have pulled up and over the Pentagon to support CIT's nuttery, yet he pulls out the hockey stick for the real path.

Of course, Cap'n Bobby fraudulently failed to include in his CIT calculations the fact that the plane had to be banked so far over it would have practically been on its side.

Cap'n Bobby, you are a complete fraud.
 
beachnut said:

Over 9 years, has Balsamo positioned himself as one of the dumbest pilot on earth, right behind his membership pilots, on 911 issues? Balsamo claims, "we do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time". What do you expect with over 9 years of failure? But the offer no theory is a lie. With John Lear, Balsamo proves he offers theory, delusional theories.



Balsamo has comprehension problems. He supports delusions; he agreed 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, no 757 at Shanksville, no Arab terrorists flying jets into the WTC. Lear and Balsamo admit they are not able to fly as good as terrorists that hit buildings on their first heavy jet flight. Terrorist 75 percent, Balsamo and Lear claim zero percent.

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We should start calling Rob "Smithers" the way he sucks up to John Lear. If John Lear were to claim to be Jesus Christ there probably would be little protest from Balsamo.
 
beachnut said:
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/1Balsamocultmembernot.jpg[/qimg]

His avatar looks something like this. Pretending to be TiffanyInLa, Balsamo brings out his aerodynamic hoax, in a we got a new "expert" thread about Deets.
If you are going to spread lies, having an avatar like this might help the fake Vg diagram scam.

In ieSpell, TiffanyInLa is corrected to Denyingly. better get back to work
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Maybe him claiming to be a girl is a sign of something else. ;)
 
W.D.Clinger said:
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/balsamo2.html

More here:
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/
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Your calculations (as Rob's) contain the assumption that the flight path ended level (v-vertical = 0) at the Pentagon impact point. Is that necessary? It was close to zero, but not necessarily fully level.



As an excercise to revive my rusty math skills, I drew some points and lines on paper, derived some formulas, and hacked them into a spreadsheet to calculate g's for several circular flight paths, with the following approach:
  • The origin of my coordinate system is ground level of Pentagon, below VDOT antenna. I used the same distances and hights as you did, when you followed Rob's numbers:
    [*]the tip of the antenna is at xA=0, yA=271ft
    the tip of the light pole at xL=2400ft, yL=47ft
    [*]the base of the Pentagon wall at xP=3416ft, yP=0​
  • define varying heights at these points (i.e: slightly above antenna, exactly at tip of pole, slightly above ground at impact) for various flight paths (that is, define 3 points that the flight path must go through)
  • Using basic geometry and algebra, calculate center and radius of a circle that goes through all 3 points
  • Assume constant air speed (not ground speed) of 781ft/s
  • calculate total force in g's as centrifugal acceleration plus 1g for gravity

Here are some sample results:
  • A flight path that goes exactly through the tips of antenna and pole and the foot of the wall (coordinates as given above), the result will be a radius of about 36600ft, with 1.52g acceleration. In this case, the plane will still be descending as it hits the Pentagon, since the center of the circle would be 1200 feet beyond impact point.
  • One flight path that would end very nearly level, clear the antenna, chop the light pole and slam into the Pentagon 10 feet above ground would have yA=352ft (81feet above tip of antenna), yL=40ft (7 feet below tip of pole), yP=10ft, and result in 2.11g (radius 17236ft)
  • Same impact result, but going lower over the Navy Annex at 180ft (as in your scenario) would have the plane still descending, with a very benign acceleration of 1.32g.
  • I could squeeze that scenario into level impact if I go lower on the light pole, to 25ft, - 22ft below its tip. Not sure if the plane would clear the highway going this low... [ETA]Anyway, here we get 1.55g.[/ETA]

Bottom line:
- The most extreme plausible flight path that would support all observables would require an average acceleration of 2.1g
- Playing with the numbers, I believe that either a path above the antenna, or one that has already done most of the vertical acceleration by the time the plane hit the light pole, is more likely than one that came in lower and curved more smoothly.
- This translates to likely average loads of maybe 1.7-2.0g during the "interesting" time interval, with possible peaks somewhat above 2.0g
- I am fairly certain that the flight path didn't end level. In most paths that safely clear the Nave Annex, just barely clip the pole and hit the wall somewhat above ground, the plane would still go down at an angle of maybe 1.2°-1.8°
[ETA]
- I am happy that I could replicate your radii and g's exactly, doing my calculations completely independent of you
- I found that your two scenarios "over Navy Annex" and "implausibly ground hugging" would chop the light pole at 16ft and 10.6ft above Pentagon base, respectively. Both would be too low, I think, given eyewitness testimonies from the highway.
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Oystein said:
Your calculations (as Rob's) contain the assumption that the flight path ended level (v-vertical = 0) at the Pentagon impact point. Is that necessary? It was close to zero, but not necessarily fully level.
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No, that was not necessary. For the purpose of my calculations, I assumed level flight at the Pentagon because Rob Balsamo had made that assumption and I wanted to show how wrong/dishonest his 11.2g/10.14g/58g calculations had been.

Thanks to JREF members Warren Stutt and John Farmer, we now have the final seconds of the FDR data, which I integrated to obtain the reconstruction displayed at
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Software/

W.D.Clinger said:
The new FDR data show that terrorist pilot Hani Hanjour flew a more erratic approach that did not quite achieve level flight.
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The maximum vertical acceleration recorded by the FDR, including 1g for gravity, was about 2.3g.

That's only a little more than the minimal 1.9g I calculated for an ideal flight path over the VDOT antenna that achieves level flight at the Pentagon, but it's a lot less than Balsamo's 11.2g/10.14g/58g miscalculations.

According to the FDR data, your calculations pretty much nailed it:

Oystein said:
- This translates to likely average loads of maybe 1.7-2.0g during the "interesting" time interval, with possible peaks somewhat above 2.0g
- I am fairly certain that the flight path didn't end level. In most paths that safely clear the Nave Annex, just barely clip the pole and hit the wall somewhat above ground, the plane would still go down at an angle of maybe 1.2°-1.8°
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graph-acc50.jpg
 
I don't know if someone else noticed the following before, but I ran the 4 photos that "TiffanyInLA" at Above Top Secret provided as his … her! … her profile pictures trough a photo matching search engine and a rather odd result came up. It appears that "Tiffany's" profile pictures actually show one "Mindy Vega", profession: porn starlet.

This picture of Miss Mindy and her … uhm … friend and colleague "Crissy" might look familiar to some:

flickr.com/photos/33619332@N07/3276704767/

Another picture of Mindy that we already know from it's cropped form at ATS:

myspace.com/funnybrad/photos/5469464#{"ImageId"%3A5469464}
 
muc said:
i don't know if someone else noticed the following before, but i ran the 4 photos that "tiffanyinla" at above top secret provided as his … her! … her profile pictures trough a photo matching search engine and a rather odd result came up. It appears that "tiffany's" profile pictures actually show one "mindy vega", profession: Porn starlet.

This picture of miss mindy and her … uhm … friend and colleague "crissy" might look familiar to some:

Flickr.com/photos/33619332@n07/3276704767/

another picture of mindy that we already know from it's cropped form at ats:

Myspace.com/funnybrad/photos/5469464#{"imageid"%3a5469464}
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:D
 
Muc said:
I don't know if someone else noticed the following before, but I ran the 4 photos that "TiffanyInLA" at Above Top Secret provided as his … her! … her profile pictures trough a photo matching search engine and a rather odd result came up. It appears that "Tiffany's" profile pictures actually show one "Mindy Vega", profession: porn starlet.

This picture of Miss Mindy and her … uhm … friend and colleague "Crissy" might look familiar to some:

flickr.com/photos/33619332@N07/3276704767/

Another picture of Mindy that we already know from it's cropped form at ATS:

myspace.com/funnybrad/photos/5469464#{"ImageId"%3A5469464}
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Welcome, Fixed the links for you.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33619332@N07/3276704767/

http://www.myspace.com/funnybrad/photos/5469464#{"ImageId":5469464}

OK, For those of us that have no idea who she is. Clue us in.
 
Never mind (I'm a bit slow with all the holiday parties). I don't keep up with the young ones, something about them being younger then your own kids, just doesn't do it.

:o
 
DGM said:
OK, For those of us that have no idea who she is. Clue us in.
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According to TiffanyInLA on ATS those are pictures of herself:

media.abovetopsecret.com/profile_gallery/TiffanyInLA/&action=list_photos&album_id=14951

If you enter them into tineye.com reverse picture search, one of them will lead you to a series of photos of the same person tagged with "Mindy Vega" on a russian web site. She wears very little on most of them. You can find the 2 pictures I linked in my previous post with google picture search, once you know her name.
 
Bwahahahaha.

Quite a few of the peeps over on ATS were more or less drooling over "TiffanyInLa", due to the avatar image used. It would be a shame not to let them know where that image really came from, no?
 
beachnut said:
Why does Balsamo make up fake Vg diagrams? What is a Vg diagram and how does it relate to Deets? Who cares ...
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Balsamo took 767 speeds and placed them in an educational Vg diagram, removing the real speeds. Look at the T-37 graph. And then below at the T-38 diagram. Then see Balsamo's fake 767 Vg diagram and he/she admits it, but implies it is valid.
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Balsamo makes up his diagram. He takes numbers from one aircraft and insert them in a generic Vg diagram. TiffanyInLa/Balsamo took a Vg diagram like this. Exactly like this one.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/VgdiagrambeforeBalsamodolteditup.gif[/qimg]

Arbitrarily added speeds from a 767 to make it a fake 767 Vg diagram. Balsamo explains this is what he did and then claims 990 broke up in-flight, which is a lie which dovetails with the fake Vg diagram.

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/VgdiagramBalsamoized.jpg[/qimg]


Balsamo, posing as a girl sock at ATS and other forums, took a Vg diagram and inserted Vspeeds for a 767. Making up evidence to support his delusions, hiding behind a sock. Not news, standard procedure from the 11.2g failed physics pilot who sells delusions. If you need lots of cookies, go over to ATS, see Balsamo starting threads about himself, spewing nonsense, posing as a girl, or implied girl, who is extremely dumb on 911. See the same at
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3611382/4/ ; where else is this fraud being posted... ?
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All very interesting.
Could be made up.

Wish there were some links.
Wish there were some sources to prove where Balsamo took his charts from, and how he manipulated them.
Wish you had actually shown proof that TiffanyInLa=Balsamo

I know. We at JREF can be quite pesky about such annoying little things like evidence...
 
beachnut said:
A side issue is how 911 truth uses "experts" like Lear and Deets to support woo, and inspire the need to fake things. These "experts" arrive with the same old lies and no evidence, and p4t/911t use them to sell the same old lies.

We don't need to bash the pilots at p4t who have failed opinions on 911, they do that best when they sign up for p4t. We can supply tools to combat the fraud and lies. Give examples and reference, or ideas to help understand and identify lies about 911.
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An MD80 driver confronted Cap'n Bob through some-one else on p4t.
None of the 'pilots' over there were able to answer any of the questions put :-)

And these claims about the airspeed constraints upon ordinary everyday aviation extending to the thinking of insane arabs intent upon suicide makes one wonder as to the thinking of such posters.
 
According to some strange posts in his forum some years ago, Balsamo seems to be quite an admirer of Miss Vega's appearance personality and acting skills:

pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3684

Coincidence? Just asking questions.
 
Muc said:
According to some strange posts in his forum some years ago, Balsamo seems to be quite an admirer of Miss Vega's appearance personality and acting skills:

pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3684

Coincidence? Just asking questions.
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okidok......:p
 
Oystein said:
All very interesting.
Could be made up.

Wish there were some links.
Wish there were some sources to prove where Balsamo took his charts from, and how he manipulated them.
Wish you had actually shown proof that TiffanyInLa=Balsamo

I know. We at JREF can be quite pesky about such annoying little things like evidence...
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I provided the actual evidence, the diagram he used, and the fake diagram he made by adding different font to the bottom. That is called evidence.


Balsamo is TiffanyInLa, Balsamo posts this tripe on multiple web sites. Only Balsamo is dumb enough to fake a Vg diagram and try to sell it on multiple web sites. But go ahead prove TiffanyInLa is not Balsamo, it is as impossible as making 11.2g Balsamo physics real.

It takes .19 seconds to find the link for the "Vg diagram". Google "vg diagram", it is the third diagram in the Images for vg diagram -

http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/Load_factors.html

"Figure 4: Typical Vg diagram." was found quickly using google. The real T-37 and T-38 diagrams were found quickly (after going though my professional papers scattered randomly though-out the massive 2400 sq ft mansion) in "Aerodynamics for PILOTS", ATC Pamphlet 51-3.

The chart was made up, not could be made up.
Your wishes, not exactly my command, it was too easy to figure out. I don't want to spend too much time exposing Balsamo, but when it is this easy, it only cost the time to type it; TG for typing class.

I have been a pilot since 1973, first flew jets in 1975, heavy jets in 1976; Balsamo's fake Vg diagram is evident on first sight, no need for sources.
It is sad, Balsamo is incredibly stupid, the few dolts he fools are in the undefined super stupid category yet to be named.
 
beachnut said:
I provided the actual evidence, the diagram he used, and the fake diagram he made by adding different font to the bottom. That is called evidence.


Balsamo is TiffanyInLa, Balsamo posts this tripe on multiple web sites. Only Balsamo is dumb enough to fake a Vg diagram and try to sell it on multiple web sites. But go ahead prove TiffanyInLa is not Balsamo, it is as impossible as making 11.2g Balsamo physics real.

It takes .19 seconds to find the link for the "Vg diagram". Google "vg diagram", it is the third diagram in the Images for vg diagram -

http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/Load_factors.html
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Hell. That's worse than when he rotated a superimposed compass over the Pentagon by 2 degrees to show that it was impossible for 77 to hit light poles. Like it was asked of him then....did he think no one would notice?



Muc said:
I don't know if someone else noticed the following before, but I ran the 4 photos that "TiffanyInLA" at Above Top Secret provided as his … her! … her profile pictures trough a photo matching search engine and a rather odd result came up. It appears that "Tiffany's" profile pictures actually show one "Mindy Vega", profession: porn starlet.

This picture of Miss Mindy and her … uhm … friend and colleague "Crissy" might look familiar to some:
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No, it isn't funny. Rob, get some help dude.
 
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